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Originally Posted by gruckiii
I am sorry but lower skilled workers (the ones at these consulting firms) are not creating their own and other jobs of the same type. They are being trained and in many cases sent back to offshore the project they were working on to compete with the US. It's a corporate labor discount bought from our representatives.
The workers are available in America now for these jobs, that is why we are upset when they talk about brining even more in to the currently, when the system is clearly being abused. There are 100's of qualified applicants for almost every position. With high caps on the visas, the jobs go to H1's first based on market price, and are practically unavailable to American workers.
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If the company simply wanted to train the workers, it'd be easier and cheaper to fly their trainers out, then to bring a large number in. These people will be here for a while, that means when a company is looking at a place to build their next Campus/R&D facility/etc. they will count this as a beneficial reason because the labor force isn't strictly limited.
In order to build a campus you want a few things, you want the town/community to be a place your workers will want to work (which will make it easier to hire them), you want a readily available pool of workers in the area, and you want it to be easy to transfer your employees from one branch to another.
Now if we impose harsh sanctions and clog the employers hiring patterns with red-tape they'll simply have their business in the EU, where they can bring educated workers without difficulty. Further the best and brightest of the rest of the world will also simply move to one of the many other first world nations and work and study there. This hurts our Universities and Colleges, it hurts our Businesses, and it hurts our economy.
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Enrollment is down in Computer Science programs! It is because the job prospects are terrible due to the H1-B program. Tons of people were enrolling in the 90's when the jobs paid a fair rate for the intellect required.
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What you're seeing here are the economic cycles of the field. In the 90s there was a shortage wages were exorbitantly high, then the dotcom bubble burst and there was a surplus, then then there was a shortage and now there is another surplus.
But if you want to find a culprit for a decrease in the IT field in the last year, you should look at the actual market, rather then at immigrants. People are holding off buying hardware and software because of Vista, all the while people are holding off buying Vista because of various problems. So the numerous markets are suffering because of it.
Whats more compared to the 90s, an IT expert needs to know more and be more diverse in their skills, making it a more difficult field to break into. Which is why prospective workers need not only to have a good degree they need to have a portfolio of prior work.
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There are way more workers than there are jobs.
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Something which comes and goes in every field.
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We are talking about hiring a foreign worker over an American worker. How will this create more jobs in the same job classification? How exactly does this work? They will be treated poorly for up to 7 years or to when they can get their green card. Not so rapid is it?
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It will create jobs, because it is a greater incentive to placing a firm in the US instead of in the EU. Whats more, the worker can give their resume to multiple firms and firms in different nations. If the firm treats any of their employees poorly, they'll lose the employee an the profit they generate.
Further the visa lasts 6 years, and after they demonstrate there is no American who can do their job, then they can get permanent residence and work for whoever they care to.
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Yes, everyone benefits from a strong economy, but the American people benefit more from having a large Middle class. The American dream if you will. These jobs literally do become unavailable when the cap is set to high. What will my future children and grandchildren have to look forward to if there is only the wealthy and the poor with no bridge in-between?
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You're straining too hard for a scapegoat. The economy is switching from being production/manufacturing based to being knowledge based. This is causing some people to surge ahead, that will soon be adjusted for in the coming years just as it always has been.