Well, cbussey, I am outta here for the day. I will have to pick this up again tomorrow.

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Those on the left in this country are anything but liberals.

I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.