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Originally Posted by muspell
Neither is nonsensical and non- responsive answers from the moderators, such as this one, followed by angry threats of bans, justified from some technical legal trapezeing that cannot be challenged. Or more correctly, the threats come when pointing out how illogical the edicts are.
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I'm sure they're quite illogical to you, the person who broke the rules. You know who never has these problems? People who
don't break the rules.
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Don't take it the wrong way, but I don't believe you.
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So, let me get this straight. You come in here with some outlandish problem that only you seem to have, ask that the moderators bend over backwards to fix this personal issue, then when we don't and offer an alternate methods towards dealing with this problem, you accuse us of being liars. Okay, why are you wasting our time?
It's obviously we either meet your 'demands' or we're liars.
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I fully expect that I will receive warnings due to certain mods' interpretation skills, as usual.
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I fully expect you to receive warnings, as well, so long as you continue to break forum rules.
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Also, you and other moderators have had several opportunities, such as this one, to address this simple issue I've mentioned - to split personal opinion and moderating very clearly, in order to help avoid the kind of example I described. Of which there are many on the board. I've described some of them to you in detail in PMs before, with predictable results.
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You still haven't told me why we should address this simple issue that only you seem to have. Nobody else here has difficulty telling the difference between a moderator's moderating posts and a moderator's discussion posts.
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Which is why I find your suggestion - to ask in private when I'm in doubt - as an unacceptable, and laughably so, solution. As this will not, and has not, resulted in any of these concerns being addressed in any meaningful way in the past. Since, obviously, this continues unabated.
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Okay, then. You are still free to ask for clarification from me whenever the need arises, but that's as far as we're going to go in helping you with this personal issue. You can take this offer or not, but complaining that you didn't understand that a mod was being a mod isn't going to get you out of any future warnings or suspensions. Stick within the forum rules, ask for clarification when needed, and you'll be fine. It's really pretty simply.
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Just understand that the reason I take this up is not because I want to "insult you" - but 1. because the continuous stream of these curious messages from certain mods hamper debate. And 2. it is easier for mods to moderate well when there are clear lines between moderating and regular posting.
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Well, appreciate you letting us know how to make moderating 'easier' and how to moderate well. I'm sorry to say that we don't think your suggestion would work out very well in practice, nor is there a large enough demand to implement it.
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No doubt no one remembers this, but before a number of threads were locked and deleted when I left the last time, I tried to - nicely at first - get you to reconsider the idea of not having to send any moderating requests to a second mod, if the first mod was participating in the thread. A rule that was perfectly useful - but which was explained away as "inefficient".
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You mean that if a mod is in a thread full of infractions, another mod steps in and takes care of it?
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And as I predicted, the result turned out to be less useful moderating, and more personal edicts that could not be challenged. Followed by more and more defensive positions on the moderating team, until you're so deep not even a simple request can be addressed properly. Because it all depends, as I specifically told you, very quickly on the personal integrity of the moderator - and not the interpretation of the rules.
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You're free to leave if you find the moderating here too oppressive. It's obviously not as bad as you claim it is, as membership here continues to grow and the site continues to gain popularity. The vast majority of members stick within the forum rules and never have any sort of issues with the mod team. I'll admit, your requests would hold a bit more water if you weren't a notorious thorn in our side. I have reviewed actions taken against you and they are all pretty clear that you broke the rules repeatedly. You are very, very much aware of the forum rules and no matter how many disclaimers we add to our posts, no matter how we do our moderating, it doesn't change the fact that you consistently break the rules.
You know as well as I that unless you change your posting style around here, you will earn a permanent suspension. This is not a threat, this is the reality of the situation. The responsibility is not on the mod team to change, it is on
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You'll do whatever it is you please as usual, of course, so I guess there's no point - but if you're at all interested in having more useful debate, you know what to do. And "I'll be happy to help", as well.
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Oh, please.
