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Old 10-18-2007
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Re: It's Official - Babyboomers Start Collecting Social Security

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Originally Posted by goober View Post
Social Security is probably the most efficient retirement plan on the planet, as far as operating costs go.
It's like a giant insurance company, and it does exactly what it was supposed to do. Before Social Security, being old meant being poor, that has largely ended.
Sure, you need to save for retirement, Social Security provides a floor below which no one can fall.
The problem with private plans is that they don't all work.
There were airline pilots who were going to get 125,000 a year from the company pension plan, except that those plans defaulted and now they get 27000 a year, big difference, there were people who saved a bundle in their 401K, and put it in Enron stock.
Remember, the average return from Wall Street is 6%, that's the average.
It means that when Warren Buffet makes 30% on his billions, or George Soros or Kirk Kerkorian, then other investors make less than 6%, they even lose money, in order for the average return to be 6%.
Who do you think loses? Hint, it's not the wealthy well connected investors, it's the little guys, 90% of investors lose money on their first investment.
With Social Security Reform, that first investment will be their pension plan.
That's the real world, and it's why Social Security is a necessary part of our American experience, that if anything should be expanded.
It's not just the little guy that gets hurt. My observations from Black Thursday 1986 through the .com collapse showed more middle and lower upper class being harmed than anyone else. They depended on the equity markets for their retirements, generally through funds and brokers, and ignored the historical returns. My personal doctor retired in 1985 at age 60, was on an around the world cruise when he heard about Black Thursday and went back into practice immediately following his return. I can't count the number of friends managed retirement funds which were crumpled by the .com collapse and are still under water yet I read posts of people in their 20s who state their managed equity investments are going to be worth X 30-40 years from now. To me, that sounds like a serious dose of hopeless naiveté.
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