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Re: Bush vows to veto children's health care bill ... because it's too costly?

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Originally Posted by dannotoronto View Post
Precisely my point. The military behaves as a sort of socialist/communist entity. That would make military personnel like Steve volunteer socialists. So then how can they criticize others for supporting socialist policies?

I also think it's a bit dangerous to distinguish between the people's money and the government's money. The government is supposed to be the will of the people manifested into policy. Except in the U.S., the government manifests the will of the corporate and military machine at the expense of the taxpayer.
Why did you omit the second part of my paragraph?

And you seem to not understand the American system of government. The Government here in America is not there to see the will of the people manifested into policy. It was never designed to do that. It is supposed to safeguard the freedoms and liberties of Americans as laid out in the Constitution. What you are suggesting is mob rule.

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I am not suggesting giving people something for nothing. The average civilian is expected to work and pay taxes so that the government can exist. The government and the military demand that they be finance by working civilians.
Yes you are. In America nothing is expected of anyone. You have a choice in whatever you do. If you choose not to work, you don't pay taxes. You have that choice. Good luck living, if you choose that path.

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The fact remains, that working civilians pay into the system for years. Asking to receive the same benefits, albeit temporarily, in return while they happen to be struggling is only asking for the same benefits that the government affords itself. Except that the government spends everyone else's money and their benefits are permanent.
What is so hard to understand about this? When you pay taxes, that money is not longer yours; it was never "the peoples". I don't know what fantasy world you are living in. Again, US Military members perform a service for the United States Government and are compensated. The average US Citizen performs no service.
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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.
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