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Evil_inKarlate, could you please indicate whose post you are quoting when you reply?
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My apologies - I try to limit the size of my quotes and number of replies, and using the 'tagged quote' feature doesn't facilitate that.
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Originally Posted by Tethys
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We can't say "Your IQ is 85, you must be black; your IQ is 110, you must be Asian; etc." which would indicate a distinguishing characteristic. That doesn't mean there cannot be general correlations, however.
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The way the preceding comment was written, it referred to IQ as a
distinguishing characteristic of race, such as 0-90 is black, 90-110 is caucasion, 110-200 is asian, (example and numbers by me), which is obviously not applicable. That doesn't mean one couldn't say the average black IQ was 95, the average white 100, and the average asian 105, assuming there was data to support it, but there is enough individual variation (and racial intermixing) that IQ could never be a used as a significant, or distinguishing, indicator of race for a given individual.
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it appears that my first instincts that he merely evaded the controversy by resorting to a straw man line of defence , were right.
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A straw man line of defense is completely appropriate for a straw man attack, which is what he was suffering.
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Do you have a link for any comments he has made on the bell curve IQ distribution of different racial groups?
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No, as I said, the actual bell-curve comment and numbers were made up by me. I took his initial comments to mean something vaguely along those lines, and nothing he has publicly said since contradict that. I took his comments as a statement of fact, or potentially a misstatement that could be proven wrong by any that disagreed. Others chose to take it as some sort of insult, react on an emotional level, and attack the messenger based on their own inferrences.
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What do you agree or disagree with about Watson's views?
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As I mentioned in an earlier post, it is my impression that the mean black IQ is less than the mean white IQ. (I don't know by how much - I only applied specific numbers earlier for illustration.) I freely admit this is my Opinion based on personal and indirect observations rather than some sort of proven fact; I'm open to being proven wrong by appropriate data, in which case I have no problem changing my opinion.
(Edit: Or pretty much anything quoted in Speedyer's post #21 above.)
As for application of that opinion to real life, there isn't any. There is too much individual variance for me to just assume that any given black individual is stupid or any non-black is intelligent. Further, because there is so much individual variance, I would oppose basing any public policy on race-as-a-proxy-for-intelligence. Jumping back to Watson's commentary, I don't consider any discussion of racial IQ to be a valid basis for changing humanitarian efforts in Africa; the failure of most efforts to date to bring about improvements in line with monies expended does.