Originally Posted by Non Sequitur

True.


Context my boy, context. John was written later then the other Gospels when Christians are being actively persecuted by Jewish leaders so of course that is going to reflect sometimes in his gospel.

BRETT: Ha. You have a sense of humor. Good. And good you concede "Christians being actively persecuted by jewish leaders". We never hear that from the MSM, only the opposite, you've probably noticed.

Also, it's all good to quote single passages out of the Bible without the rest of passage but, one could make the Bible say "There is no God" using that method. The entire passage is talking about how they are accusing Jesus of being from the devil. Jesus is illustrating how wrong that idea really is and how it is the devil who has them convinced of that opinion.

BRETT: There you ago apologized for Jesus. He said to the jews: "Ye are of your father, the devil". Sounds like good, unambiguous English to me. He clearly told them they're children of Satan.


True, but remember it is still Pilot who made the decision to execute him. He gave in to "peer pressure", if you will, which doesn't change a the fact that he is the one who ultimately made the decision. He cannot say "they made me do it." Doesn't mean the Jewish leaders didn't help out in the process but to blame them solely is missing the facts.

BRETT: Well, it's also true that George Bush made the decision to murder 500,000 Iraqi children by enforcing sanctions of foods and medicines, but it was his jew bosses in Israel that ordered him to. If a hired killer tries to slit your throat, who do you blame more, him or the fellow who hired him ?? The instigator, of course.

by the way i have always felt sorry for Pilot

BRETT: My God, yes. Surrounded 24/7/365 by jews musta been pure hell.


Again, context and please finish the passage. The first part of verse 14 is "for you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea...." the verse makes a lot more sense when that part of the sentence is there. Christians did suffer in Judea at the hands of the Jewish leaders and the Jewish leader did have a hand in getting Christ crucified, but no where does the Bible say that means Jews should be persecuted (Paul even says in Romans they might go heaven). The Bible says the opposite: "turn the other cheek" etc... Those passages may sound like open invitations to persecute Jews, but only if you read just those passages and not the rest of the Bible.

BRETT: Dang it N.S., do I gotta quote the whole chapter for ya ?? Anyhow, the bible said, just like I said it said: "Jews killed Christ and the prophets". Plain freakin English. And whether you like it or not, I think they oughta have to pay. And that means persecution. Hell, they persecuted Christ. So there you go. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, and a neck for a neck. I think Hitler was onto something.


ah the real issue. Who said you were quoting God? You are quoting a guy who says he is John and Paul, neither of which happen to be God. The Bible was not written by God and then dropped down in front of Paul complete with maps. It was inspired by God, but written by humans, which means some weird stuff gets in their from time to time (good example: Genesis 32:22-32 where Jacob restless with God and wins).

BRETT: That's the trouble with you bible-toting Christians. Put 10 of you together, and you get 10 different intrepetations, but you're the first one I ever heard admit there's "some weird stuff" in there. So how the hell do you subscribe to a religion when you yourself say some of it is weird. Geez. .

Also remember that it was part of God's plan for Jesus to die. His death also leads to his resurrection and thus the hope for salvation for all.

BRETT: I disagree. I believe if Jesus had not been nailed to a cross by the jews, Jesus would have solved the world's jewish problem. Remember what he said: "Think not that I come on earth to bring peace. I come not to bring peace, but a sword". See? The jews killed him before he had the chance.

But to answer you question, no I don't apologize for scripture, there is no need too.