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Originally Posted by SMadsen
I only have one small favor to ask of you before I perhaps respond to this: Please describe a possible route to provide evidence of a god that exists in the physical reality and not in the "reality" of flying toasters, i.e. the mind.
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If such an entity exists, then such an entity can manifest itself in physical reality and provide proof of credentials. If such an entity exists and does not make itself known in a direct verifiable way, then such an entity's existence remains unverified.
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Originally Posted by veryeasytospell
My point, as I've stated numerous times now, is that you haven't proven that this world is subject to logic.
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Provide one valid example, in the real world, of two contradictory facts claiming different things about the same phenonmenon and both being true.
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Originally Posted by SMadsen
Religion makes claims about divinity since the claims can't be true without the existence of divinity. While the Judeo-Christian creation account certainly describes things that exist in our shared reality (and are knowable to us), their existence presupposes the existence of the creator and the event of creation. No creator -> no creation -> no firmament or things that creepeth and crawleth. So while religions set out to describe reality (and they all do) they are based on the supernatural. On ideas.
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Agreed that claims can't be true without the existence of the divinity. Yes, there is a presupposition of the existence and that is where it is a logical fallacy.