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Old 12-06-2007
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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I said big government, not just social programs. I want an end to all unnecessary spending, not just some of it.
Libertarians such as Ron Paul neglect the big spending, instead concentrate on 1 or 2 billion dollars of pork for talking points. Why? Because it they will never get any voters if they proposed to get rid of the big social spending programs.

Is that principled?



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I don't remember saying my vote is based on that alone. What is your point?
Maybe you should consider trade, since the US trade deficit is logarithmically approaching 1 trillion dollars a year, 10% of the Gross National Product, and more FTAs are on the table to be considered.

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Competition doesn't destroy jobs, it gives them to people who want them more. In any case, I didn't say Bush is wrong about everything he does. So I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by drawing vague similarities in imagined sound bytes.
Labor costs are the most, if not only, important cost to doing business in the modern world. Going to a foreign cheap labor source does not increase efficiency, is not competative, does not benefit Americans, and only gets Socialist Democrats elected. These are the same arguments Democrat southerners made in 1860, "It lowers the price of cotton."

The price of goods made by cheap labor doesn't reflect the lower labor cost, the business owners mark up the price and reap in the profits, while putting free-labor out of business. Exactly what happened before the US Civil War.

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It's moral integrity to not force employers to discriminate when giving jobs (in this case, by only giving them to Americans). What the employers do depends on THEIR moral compass. In any case, why do you assume they are "American" jobs? Just because Americans held them first?
Those that use cheap foreign labor have no integrity, in fact a war was fought against that practice once, it was called the US Civil War.

Employers DO NOT have the right to unilaterally decide foreign business deals.

Employers DO NOT have the right to unilaterally decide if they can or cannot hire foreigners.

Employers DO NOT have the right to unilaterally decide their tax rates.

The US Constitution gives Congress the powers to regulate foreign trade, and pass tariffs. If you have a problem with the US Constitution then you have a problem with the United States. You Libertarians have a serious problem with the notions of national identity, such as your stance on open-borders anarchy.

To Libertarians there is no such thing as an American, a Chinese, or a Mexican, everyone lives in a global Libertarian Utopia of love and flowers in their hair. Not only is this childish, it is dangerous thinking.

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I support the right of employers to not be forced to give jobs to the incompetent just because they live in the US. If you consider it immoral, so be it.
There you go again, you just accused every American who has ever held a job of being incompetent, obsolete, and not needed. According to you, when there is cheap foreign labor to be had, Americans are not needed, throw away tools. That is unAmerican, just as Communism is unAmerican.

Americans will never vote for someone with a pissy attitude like that. Libertarians have no chance of winning.

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The problem with that is your argument assumes the premise that there is no authoritarian piece of legislation within the Constitution, which is something you have not proven.
The Constitution doesn't make legislation, Congress does.

Last edited by PaleoRepublican; 12-06-2007 at 11:12 PM.
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