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Originally Posted by PaleoRepublican
Libertarians such as Ron Paul neglect the big spending,
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Uh, Paul voted against the IWR. If that's not big spending, I don't know what is.
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instead concentrate on 1 or 2 billion dollars of pork for talking points. Why?
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Why are you asking questions with false premises?
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Because it they will never get any voters if they proposed to get rid of the big social spending programs.
Is that principled?
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Getting rid of pork? Yes. Providing false premises in questions? Probably not as much.
Okay, I'm considering it. Now what?
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Labor costs are the most, if not only, important cost to doing business in the modern world. Going to a foreign cheap labor source does not increase efficiency, is not competative, does not benefit Americans, and only gets Socialist Democrats elected.
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What are you smoking? Cheap labor reduces the production costs of something while not reducing other qualities. That is efficiency. Do you know what the word "efficiency" is? Yes, it is competitive because companies will compete to produce a product for less. And yes, if product costs go down, companies will be able to compete to lower prices of said goods for buyers, including American buyers. But you are right, retarded and incompetent American voters could be more likely to elect those who would give their lazy asses handouts.
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These are the same arguments Democrat southerners made in 1860, "It lowers the price of cotton."
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Is this some kind of a cheap attempt to somehow link this to slavery?
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The price of goods made by cheap labor doesn't reflect the lower labor cost, the business owners mark up the price and reap in the profits,
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That might happen, but then someone who wants to enter the market can just make less of a profit and be able to compete with the companies. What you are doing is assuming that corporation do not compete under any circumstances.
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while putting free-labor out of business.
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What the hell is "free-labor?"
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Exactly what happened before the US Civil War.
Those that use cheap foreign labor have no integrity, in fact a war was fought against that practice once, it was called the US Civil War.
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The civil war was fought over foreign labor?
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Employers DO NOT have the right to unilaterally decide foreign business deals.
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You're right. The other business or employee has to agree to it. Thanks, captain obvious.
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Employers DO NOT have the right to unilaterally decide if they can or cannot hire foreigners.
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Right, because the other nation can reject the offer. What is your point in pointing out the obvious?
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Employers DO NOT have the right to unilaterally decide their tax rates.
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Who said they do?
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The US Constitution gives Congress the powers to regulate foreign trade, and pass tariffs. If you have a problem with the US Constitution then you have a problem with the United States.
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ROFL. First of all, having the power to regulate trade doesn't mean it HAS to be regulated. Maybe I just don't like the way Congress uses their powers, hmm? Furthermore, the US Constitution was made by men, and is not infallible. Prohibition used to be a part of the Constitution. Are you saying that anyone who disagreed with it had a "problem with the United States?"
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You Libertarians have a serious problem with the notions of national identity, such as your stance on open-borders anarchy.
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What open-border anarchy? Just what the hell are you talking about?
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To Libertarians there is no such thing as an American, a Chinese, or a Mexican, everyone lives in a global Libertarian Utopia of love and flowers in their hair. Not only is this childish, it is dangerous thinking.
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Good thing I don't actually think that. Otherwise I would have to live with the unbearable fact that you think I am childish. *GASP!*
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There you go again, you just accused every American who has ever held a job of being incompetent, obsolete, and not needed.
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No, I didn't. I REFERRED to the incompetent who happen to live in America. Your talent for misunderstanding is astounding.
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According to you, when there is cheap foreign labor to be had, Americans are not needed, throw away tools.
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Now you're accusing Americans of being obsolete because that statement implies that they are totally inferior to foreign laborers.
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That is unAmerican, just as Communism is unAmerican.
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Who made you the chief council member of the "unAmerican" commission?
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Americans will never vote for someone with a pissy attitude like that. Libertarians have no chance of winning.
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If that is the case, then that is because the majority of Americans are retarded handout lovers.
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The Constitution doesn't make legislation, Congress does.
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Are you going to continue sucking down semantics or are you going to address the main issue? Here, I'll rephrase it for you:
"The problem with that is your argument assumes the premise that there is no authoritarian
wording within the Constitution, which is something you have not proven."