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Old 12-07-2007
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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Yes, nobody knows about the Iraq War Resolution.
If you want to tackle spending, how about the big social programs taking up a majority of the federal budget. You have about 50 senators, and 300 Democrat congressmen to fight through, GOOD LUCK!



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Cheap foreign labor does reduce production cost, but the end-user consumer never sees a drop in price.
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Really? NEVER? Can you prove that?
Has the price of toys, cars, ANYTHING gone down since NAFTA and trade with other foreign cheap labor countries? NO!

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The cheap-labor nation TAXES their own exports, and the business owner who employs cheap foreign labor rakes in massive profits MARKING UP THE PRICE of the item up.
Again, can you prove that always happens?
1) Are you denying a business marks up the price of an item to make a profit?

2) Are you denying China doesn't have any internal taxation or export taxes? Every other country does.

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The exact same thing happened with King Cotton (slavery).
That was free labor.
Of course a Libertarian would think slavery was free labor, with their twisted sort of logic. Most of the Confederate defenders are Libertarians today.

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You do not want to return to a Confederate economy.
Again, slavery is not the same.
I am talking about the 100,000% inflation of the Confederacy, because all they did was print money, like your beloved free-trader buddies controlling our money supply today.

Slavery is the issue, its all about mindset. Libertarians and Confederate slavers can only think in terms of 'cheap labor', built their entire economy around it. It came crashing down on their faces.

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it was all about cheap foreign labor and the gluttons who owned the plantations obstructing the Industrialization of the United States. Why do you think a bunch of white guys killed a bunch of white guys over it? Cause they cared about blacks? HAHAHAHAHA! Thats a funny one.
Where did I say that? Seriously, I see no connection between what you said and this debate.
I am drawing a parallel between the mindset of a southern Democrat slaver Confederate, and the free traitors of today. What they did 150 years ago is as relevant as what is going on today. History shouldn't be forgotten, or we'll repeat the same mistake.

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What do you mean exploiting?
You didn't get the memo? You can exploit another human being without putting chains on their feet and slapping them around with a bull whip. WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY!

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Yes, competition. Got a problem with that?
Not when it costs America its industrial capacity, gives Communist China an industrial capacity, millions of good paying jobs, lowers the standard of living, imports poverty, makes the average Chinese slave hate their American masters, and gets Democrats elected.

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Then don't take part in it. Stop telling the Chinese laborers and US employers what to do. It's not your business (literally).
Libertarian philosophy is, "Nobody should intrude on another's freedom." It is my business, this stuff doesn't happen in a vaccume. No company has the freedom to do foreign business, because the Constitution gives Congress the powers of tariff and regulation. If you have a problem with the Constitution then you have a problem with America.

(Libertarians believe in extra-constitutional doctrine, so when you hear a Libertarian say something is unconstitutional, take it with a grain of salt.)

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Second of all, if one company exploiting cheap Chinese labor undercuts the 2nd company exploiting cheap Chinese labor, they will only undercut by pennies.
Do you understand what competition is?
Are you going to deny a business will not drastically undercut their competition less it drastically cuts into their profits?

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Americans work for free?
According to you, Americans should work for free, or at least 50 cents an hour.

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Because the other nation can reject the offer, and because the US has the Constitutional authority to reject the offer also.
That doesn't mean it should be done. Your argument is "can be done, so must be done?"
I would rather trust the founding fathers then a lunatic Libertarian. The founding fathers ran the entire federal budget on tariffs.

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If Congress never excersized its powers to regulate interstate trade, each state would have their own little tariffs.
Prove it.
Are you denying that if Congress never prohibited the states from imposing interstate tariffs that they never would impose tariffs? WOW! AMAZING! You have no idea how people think, politics, and how governments operate. If the commerce clause never existed, every state WOULD have tariffs.

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Maybe you should go to the official Libertarian website and read their Utopian schemes and their platform.
Sorry, but the burden of proof is on you, given that you made the claim.
Your the anti-war protester latching onto Ron Paul. You have no idea what Libertarians really are.

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According to the free-traders 99% of Americans are incompetent and obsolete because they earn more then 50 cents an hour.
I didn't know there was a monarchy or absolute commission of "free-traders." Where is their blog that says this?
Well according to you, and according to Libertarians, Americans need to sacrifice much of their wages to stay "globally competative." So therefore YOU and your Libertarian bretheren really want Americans to work for as little as possible.

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You call Americans incompetent, its much worse then the more accurate term "obsolete."
Yes, some Americans are incompetent. Got a problem with the truth?
To accuse some Americans of being incompetent because they earn more then 50 cents an hour is to accuse ALL Americans of being incompetent. Fat. Lazy. Obsolete. Ugly Americans. So you accuse.
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Like I said, I won't sacrifice my morals to appease public opinion.
It is immoral to take advantage of the wage disparity between the United State worker, and a worker of a corrupt and/or Communist nation. Not that I care about the foreign worker, I only care about making the most money myself.

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If the Constitution had no authority then there is no law.
That has nothing to do with what I said.
You said the Constitution is not Authoritarian. It certainly is Authoritarian, being the highest law of the land.


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Like I said, if you anti-war protesters vote for Ron Paul simply because he is anti-war, YOU WILL GET THE WHOLE LIBERTARIAN PACKAGE!
What the hell is your point?
Most anti-war nuts are Democrat. Most Democrats are socialists to a degree. Socialism is the complete opposite of anarcho-capitalism which is Libertarianism.

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What are you smoking? It might land you in jail if you're not careful. I certainly hope you are more coherent when you are in public, and especially when around cops.
I thought you Libertarians want to legalize drugs. The only thing a Socialist Congress and a Libertarian presidency will accomplish is the legalization of weed.
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