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Old 12-07-2007
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Re: Do You Carry A Gun?

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That's just not true...
I am willing to be proven wrong, but your assertion != proof.

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I'm not so sure:

§ 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY. A person
is justified in using force or deadly force against another to
protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if,
under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the
actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force
or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful
interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or
criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or
(2) the actor reasonably believes that:
(A) the third person has requested his protection
of the land or property;
(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third
person's land or property; or
(C) the third person whose land or property he
uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent,
or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.


It was a neighbor, not a spouse, parent, or child. The neighbor didn't reside with the guy, nor was the neighbor under the guy's care. Whether or not he had a "legal" duty to protect the property is, I think, up for debate.
Bold mine. Nor does the neighbor need to be any of these things. The neighbor asked for the shooter to watch his property. Which qualifies him under this clause, to shoot the burglars.

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But, that notwithstanding, before the guy was in any threatening position whatsoever, he said he was going to kill them. Not "I might kill them" or "I hope I don't have to kill them, but I will if I have to", but "I'm going to kill them".
Irrelevant. As I said, intent is meaningless, if he is covered by Section 9.43. And he is.

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Look, I'm about as big a proponent as you're likely to find when it comes to carrying a gun, and/or using a gun to protect your life, the lives of loved ones, or your property. In this case, though, the guy said, before he ever stepped out of his house, that he was going to kill them.

That's gotta' be the very definition of premeditation...
Agreed, and in my own jurisdiction, he would be doomed. But not in Texas, which is where the shooting occured.

I am not defending his actionsa, which I find reprehensible. And I am a big proponent of carrying firearms, as well. Hell, I even have a license to carry in my own state (and eleven others, as reciprocity permits). What I am saying is that there is a reason he has not been indicted.
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