Originally Posted by crisis

Yes as usual EricOCK ends up getting us so far from the point of the topic we are now arguing in ever diminishing circles about largely irrelevant minutiae. I bought it up only to illustrate how, with such a level of gun proliferation, weapons can find themselves into the hands of people deluded so. The frantic cries of how fantastic it was that in this case a private citizen had a gun handy are clutching at straws in a tragic situation.
In this case the gun owner shot the antagonist who then turned a gun on himself. It proves nothing to argue either that he may have killed himself at that point or that that she may have precipitated those actions.
Further to argue how wonderful having your citizens armed for such an occurrence ignores the fact that such a level of weapons proliferation and such a wide acceptance of gun ownership is in part responsible for the fact that it may be needed in the first place.
And yes chanting incantations or uttering prayers may be part of being in such a situation but she did not say she said a prayer. Her choice of words (if indeed what was reported was factual) were unfortunate and painted her as a religious nut.