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Re: The Debate Really IS over... NOT!
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Originally Posted by Captain Trips
* What are you lazy ? You want everyone to do your reading FOR you ? Firstly: *
Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears “bite the dust.” (LINK) In addition, many scientists who are also progressive environmentalists believe climate fear promotion has "co-opted" the green movement.
This blockbuster Senate report lists the scientists by name, country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation. It also features their own words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies and original source materials as gathered from public statements, various news outlets, and websites in 2007. This new “consensus busters” report is poised to redefine the debate.
Many of the scientists featured in this report consistently stated that numerous colleagues shared their views, but they will not speak out publicly for fear of retribution.
This new report details how teams of international scientists are dissenting from the UN IPCC’s view of climate science. In such nations as Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, Russia, New Zealand and France, nations, scientists banded together in 2007 to oppose climate alarmism. In addition, over 100 prominent international scientists sent an open letter in December 2007 to the UN stating attempts to control climate were “futile.”
Paleoclimatologist Dr. Tim Patterson, professor in the department of Earth Sciences at Carleton University in Ottawa, recently converted from a believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. Patterson noted that the notion of a “consensus” of scientists aligned with the UN IPCC or former Vice President Al Gore is false. “I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority.”
Former Vice President Gore has claimed that scientists skeptical of climate change are akin to “flat Earth society members” and similar in number to those who “believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona.”
.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.
* I know you aren't interested in learning that the so called "consensus" on "global warming" is quickly disappearing. but it IS. Like it or not it IS.
Former Vice president Al Gore is being exposed for the charlatan he IS. He's not a scientist even. He has almost NO idea what he's talking about. But with Al Gore, whats new ?
Not that you'll be interested but here's more: *
Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian Ph.Ds. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening.
Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.
No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?
Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.
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Global Warming, climate change facts
* Exactly the same kind of propoganda that Al Gore has served up. *
Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."
We should listen most to scientists who use real data to try to understand what nature is actually telling us about the causes and extent of global climate change. In this relatively small community, there is no consensus, despite what Gore and others would suggest.
Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"
Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and "hundreds of other studies" reveal: on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth's temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun.
Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden, admits, "Some small areas in the Antarctic Peninsula have broken up recently, just like it has done back in time. The temperature in this part of Antarctica has increased recently, probably because of a small change in the position of the low pressure systems."
But Karlen clarifies that the 'mass balance' of Antarctica is positive - more snow is accumulating than melting off. As a result, Ball explains, there is an increase in the 'calving' of icebergs as the ice dome of Antarctica is growing and flowing to the oceans.
Global warming, Scientists, Al Gore climate change
* In otherwords, as usual we're not getting the full story from Al Gore and his ilk. No surprise.
I'm not going to copy and paste anymore for you. If you want to learn about this subject do so.
Otherwise, do what so many have done. Ignore science and have faith in propoganda and nonsense. Here are more readings for you on the off chance you're truly interested: *
Survey: Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory
DailyTech - Survey: Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory
Greenland ice yields hope on climate
Greenland ice yields hope on climate - The Boston Globe
Greenland Ice Find Debunks Al Gore’s Global Warming Theories
Greenland Ice Find Debunks Al Gore’s Global Warming Theories | NewsBusters.org
Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears
Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears - Press Release
Global warming? It's natural, say experts
Global warming? It's natural, say experts | the Daily Mail
Are sunspots prime suspects in global warming?
Are sunspots prime suspects in global warming? | csmonitor.com
CNN Meteorologist: ‘Definitely Some Inaccuracies’ in Gore Film
CNN Meteorologist: ‘Definitely Some Inaccuracies’ in Gore Film | NewsBusters.org
Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’
Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’ | NewsBusters.org
* That might keep you occupied. Of course you can dismiss it all and continue yelling about man made "global warming" and tell us all about how it's a "scientific consensus."
We'll pretend that's true if we must. Just for you of course :-) *
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No, not lazy. Would just like some evidence to back up your claims is all. All I saw was name calling. And trust me, I read a lot about this topic. Part of the job.
Anyways, I will read the papers that Si Modo posted. I have little interest in reading media reports on this issue (which I thought were biased, right? unless you agree with them I guess...), I will stick with the journals. You might want to do the same.
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