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Old 03-17-2008
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Re: Obama's Incredible Denial Concerning His Pastor

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Originally Posted by CorpMediaSux View Post
Merriam Webster's dictionary: Racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
So when you can fit my statements into that definition let me know.

I did not argue that the reason that Bush has failed is his whiteness.
Why did you even bring it up? Why did you evade my question? You did not provide a yes or no answer but offered a dictionary definition of the word.

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. I also pointed out that Bush is a mainstream Christian and a traditional conservative.
Obama is a Christian as well so obviously that is not truly an issue in your view. Bush strikes me as more of a liberal than a conservative with big government and free spending so I doubt his alleged conservatism bothers you much. He strikes me as an open borders liberal straight from the bowels of socialism.

I am left with race; something you made a point to illustrate for the masses.

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I pointed all of those things about because they represent what nearly every President in American history has been demographically. Clearly, in the last seven years, these traits do not guarantee success in a Presidency, why not open our minds to considering other possibilities.
You really do not believe I am falling for this jive talk do you?

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The membership of Obama's church is multi-racial. There are more white members nationwide than African American members. Can you explain this?
Can I explain something you have yet to prove? I am too smart for that game but maybe you would care to explain how the "Black Value System" is anything but racial nationalist in nature?

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No it doesn't. My support for him is for two reasons. Both he and Clinton and the Democrats have a plan for the economy. The republicans do not. MORE importantly, Obama is the only candidate who has said essentially "government doesn't work unless YOU pay attention and hold people accountable."
Edwards and Hillary never advocated responsible government?

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He wants Americans to wake up and stop letting the media tell them about whats going on and inform themselves. He wants pork barrel spending to be publically televised and justified on news networks. He wants corporate lobbysits to make their case to the American people in public forum, rather than behind closed doors to corrupt senators. He consistently talks about these issues as the way to transform politics to make it work better for American citizens.
Does his record reflect his words? For example he is opponent of special interests? How come he pandered to AIPAC (Israeli Lobby) and pushed the George Bush view of Iran as a threat to his audience when American intelligence said Iran stopped nuclear weapon development in 2003?

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But all you want to do is talk about the statements of a man who isn't running for President, because you can't really beat Obama on the substance.
And this is a fallacious strawman; you cannot explain why Obama preaches diversity to the masses while refusing to disassociate himself from a racial nationalist church because there is no logical explanation that would make Obama look good. Instead of addressing this fact Obama's worshipers can only create and attack the silly strawman that he is being attacked because his pastor made some off-colour comments! No, Barack is a member of a racial nationalist church while he preaches tolerance and diversity for the rest of us!

This alone proves that he does not live up to his own stated ideology which is damning against him and his supporters. The fact is Obama has no substance; he is unproven and unseasoned; we can only go on his words which is a negative for him when he illustrates that his beliefs very likely do not match his words.
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