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Re: Obama's Incredible Denial Concerning His Pastor

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle View Post
Go to the church's site and see if you think the same way.
Trinity United Church of Christ

I chose a random direct feed that was in the archives in Feb. of this year and watched one of his sermons. After all of the singing and dancing was over with, which is normal in most churches, and the introductions, he started in talking about Slavery and Brier Rabbit.

It seems Rev. Wright is living in the past. If you want to hear about slavery over and over again sit in on services at the Trinity United Church. Or you could just rent Roots.

You brought up a good point. Those racist jokes were left behind in the 60s and aren't used anymore. If it seemed normal to you.....it was because that was the way America was back then. America has changed, but blacks don't seem to know this. Now we know why.

The racist rhetoric that passes for normality TODAY.......AT THIS MOMENT has not been left behind by blacks. It only re enforces the divisions in this country and perpetuates their hatred towards whites, a hatred that most of us have left behind. A hatred that some of us always felt was wrong in the first place and never agreed with.

Black history month is an example of the government reminders of their hated past. Blacks are constantly reminded by their pastor of their history. Many of them have never seen discrimination in any institutional form yet they all feel discriminated. Many of them have no right to complain. Obama is one who has no right to complain about his upbringing. Yet he feels he is one of them and so he identifies with their version of black history, the version that Rev. Wright teaches. Constant reminders of slavery and discrimination by their pastors and peers is the big ugly secret they can't admit to in public. They can admit this among themselves but not around whites.

This may be a good thing because a secret like this needed to be exposed.

To be honest with you, with some of them their history is their reason for existence. They wouldn't change it even if they could. It's what gives them a purpose in life. Nobody can do anything about it. We can't change anything for them. Our job is to just listen to them tell us about it and that's it. Even though most of their complaints are baseless don't you dare disagree with them. If you do you're labeled a racist. We couldn't possibly understand the "Black Experience".

Some people that spend their lives complaining about everything aren't really interested in solutions. They just like to complain.
How naive are you to think that absent rhetoric, blacks in America wouldn't have anything to be upset about. You foment the notion that white on black racism doesn't exist today, that it is somehow just the reliving of the past that keeps us divided. Are you really so naive?

I moved to Pennsylvania from California, and the first thing that struck me was when my family went to IHOP for dinner. I couldn't believe what was happening--only white people were seated next to the windows, all black people were given tables away from the windows--even with empty window seats available, black people were only being seated away from the windows. They obviously didn't want black people being seen in the windows--despite the fact that most of the staff was black; I think the manager was Asian.

I find it quite amazing how so many whites think that racism against blacks is over in America. Just look at incarceration levels and you can see there is still racism against blacks--though I know you won't see it that way. I doubt you are black.

But for you to think whites don't give blacks enough to be upset about, you've got some research to do.

Which complaints do you find baseless?
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