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Originally Posted by TSGracchus
Well, you're welcome, for what it's worth. I still don't buy your definition, though, because you're including such things as self-defense killing, capital punishment, and war killing as murder, and that doesn't work. It's only deliberate killing that's morally wrong and unjustified that can be called murder.
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Thats why I did say:
...what forms of murder are tolerable and allowable in a civilized society.... here:
One last abortion poll (Now with more options!)
It is the "deliberate killing" that this argument seems to revolve around. That and when a human becomes a human.
Abortion certainly IS deliberate killing.
Deliberate killing made "legal" by some appointed "authorities" who obviously had their heads up their robes.
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Originally Posted by Speakeasy
I don't think 'the authorities' are the ones that dictate this, Captain Trips.
I think you need to take your problem up with Oxford English, Merriam-Webster and American Heritage.
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Don't tell me. Tell steve.
1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
2 a: something very difficult or dangerous <the traffic was murder> b: something outrageous or blameworthy <getting away with murder>
murder - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Abortion is certainly done with thinking ahead (aforethought). That malice is involved might be argued. I would argue that it IS done with malice. It's done thinking that this tiny person needs to go. Needs to be "taken out of me."
Knowing full well that this person will die by taking it out of you at that stage.
That some appointed "authorities" made it LEGAL and lawful to DO so, makes SOME of us able to accept this form of murder as perfectly Ok. Even when it is NOT perfectly Ok.
A small group of anointed ones made a "law" and some of us are willing to so easily change our definitions of murder.
1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.
Now what USED to be considered
unlawfully killing a person is
not unlawful. So we think that magically makes it different.
People whose minds are so moldable would more easily accept the following ALSO:
If "the authorities" made it legal to kill your neighbor when they're being too noisy,
all of a sudden by magic, it's not murder.