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Old 04-29-2008
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Re: One last abortion poll (Now with more options!)

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips View Post
Thats why I did say:

...what forms of murder are tolerable and allowable in a civilized society....
Yes, I read it, and the answer, by definition, is NONE. Because if a killing is tolerable and allowable, then by definition it's not murder. For purposes of the present discussion it's acceptable (to me anyway) that we use a moral definition of murder rather than a purely legal one, but any such definition must recognize that there are types of deliberate killing that are NOT murder, and some of the classic ones are things you are saying ARE: execution of criminals, killing in self-defense, killing by soldiers in combat. These are not "tolerable and allowable murder," they are NOT murder, plain and simple.

But in fact, even that's beside the point. This entire argument of yours is a sideshow and addresses nothing that is really in dispute.

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Now what USED to be considered unlawfully killing a person is not unlawful.
No. What some people consider unlawfully killing a person is now the lawful killing of a non-person. It was once the unlawful killing of a non-person. Didn't you understand what I was saying earlier? You're going to get absolutely nowhere with an argument like this, because you're completely failing to address the key point of disagreement, which isn't over whether something is being killed, nor whether it's being done intentionally, nor whether it's being done in self-defense, but whether the organism being killed is a person.

That's what you need to address, and what you are completely failing to even TRY to address as far as I can see.
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