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Re: What if America had stayed out of WWI?

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Everything you mentioned was not part of the treaty...
As though treaties were ever considered binding
on Germany by the Nazi government!

And I am not obliged to limit my source material
to the treaty.

For example, here is a link to Nuremberg providing
testimony on German intentions and behavior in
Alsace-Lorraine and elsewhere on the pre-war border area:

Trials of German Major War Criminals: Volume 5

(from link, emphasis added):

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This document is dated Berlin, 20 June 1940. It bears the notation: "Secret General Staff Document." Its title is: "Note for the Dossier on the Conference of 19 June 1940. At Headquarters of General Field Marshal Goering."

The notes which are included in this document reflect, therefore, the views of the leaders, and not individual interpretations. I would like to read to the Tribunal only paragraph 6 of the document, which is to be found on Page 3. It is the first document:

"General plans in regard to political development."

"Luxembourg is to be annexed to the Reich. Norway is to become German. Alsace-Lorraine is to be re-incorporated into the Reich. An autonomous Breton State is to be created. Furthermore, considerations are pending concerning Belgium, the special treatment of the Flemish in that country, and the creation of a State of Burgundy."



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...beside the crippling of the fleet.

However, the fleet was not dismantled and still capable of upkeeping the colonies.
No, sorry, you are wrong and must not have have
not read the treaty very carefully yourself.

Here is what the treaty says:

The Avalon Project : Franco-German Armistice : June 25, 1940

(from link):
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ARTICLE IV.
French armed forces on land, on the sea, and in the air are to be demobilized and disarmed in a period still to be set. Excepted are only those units which are necessary for maintenance of domestic order...

ARTICLE VIII.
The French war fleet is to collect in ports to be designated more particularly, and under German and/or Italian control to demobilize and lay up—with the exception of those units released to the French Government for protection of French interests in its colonial empire...



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I gave you a pretty reliable source of the franco-german agreement and it supports every single claim I have announced.
Addressed.




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The french even didn't hesitate to sign the treaty.
Because they had a gun at their heads.




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However, what happened after England refused to make peace with Hitler's Germany, that was admittetly worse than the Versailles Treaty.
I cut one leg out from under you, and here
you cut the other leg out from under yourself.




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But that does not change the fact that in 1940, Hitler was willing to make a pretty much white peace with both France and England.
BBC - WW2 People's War - A Last Appeal to Reason by Adolf Hitler

Not that I want to bother with anything Hitler said,
but the text of his "appeal" is not in readable format.

Hitler, having conquered the most productive area of
western Europe, now wanted free reign to dominate
central Europe and conquer the USSR as well.

He wanted the UK to sit by and watch Germany
become hegemon of the entire continent.

Thank God Great Britain chose to stand against him.




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Unlike in 1918 the entente, he even welcomed the french delegation with militarical honours.
Big fucking deal.




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Hitler was willing to start unconditional negotiations.
Ridiculous. See above.




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Already after Fall Weiß. One can only speculate which demands he would have made, but it was him who was willing to start peace negotiations, and it were the allies who wanted to continue the war. At all costs.
I have had enough of you and Hitler.

It is over.

Goodbye.
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