I never said that the poster should have their citizenship revoked. I said that the poster doesn't deserve freedom, or to be an American.

I'm sure some people would say that I do not deserve freedom, or liberty, because I haven't done enough to protect liberty. I have only been involved in one single protest in my life, so maybe I do not deserve liberty, or to be an American either.

Any American who place more importance on security than liberty, is not an American I want to be friends with. We have all seen the quote by Ben Franklin that is all over the web, regarding those who would trade liberty for security, but I can't verify that quote, so I do not use it. While I can't verify that quote, I still agree with the words.

The poster I was speaking to stated that no cost is too great for their physical security. Even though the cost is at least 1.7 trillion dollars, probably more by the end of our occupation. Even though Pakistan has received the largest increase in US foreign aid, but will not allow us to search their country for Osama or terrorist camps. Even though our alleged ally Saudi Arabia spawned the majority of the hijackers, is home to half of the suicide bombers in Iraq, teaches hatred for the US in their schools, allows no freedom of speech, treats their women like property and helps fund terrorism, we have taken no actions against Saudi Arabia. What cost is TOO MUCH?

The war on terror is a scam. Our border security is still a joke, yet we allegedly have a war on terror. Some people just don't get it. We feel safer because we have to get half undressed at airports, yet..........

A new study conducted by an aviation-security firm concludes federal efforts to safeguard airports, planes and the flying public have left the U.S. just as vulnerable to terrorism now as it was before September 11.

The white paper describing the study's findings, entitled, "Missing in Action – Aviation Security in America," was written by David Forbes, president of Colorado-based BoydForbes Security. It addresses what Forbes calls "persistent failings" in aviation security over the last three decades. He claims there are fundamental flaws in the system that have continued even in the wake of 9-11.

In the study, which took two years to complete, Forbes states: "Today we do not have anything resembling real security to protect the commercial aviation system and the traveling public. The sham pretence on stage now, and the implied direction for the future, is Oscar-winning material of the 'smoke and mirrors' variety."

Study: Airport safety no better since 9-11

AVIATION SECURITY
Vulnerabilities Exposed
Through Covert Testing of
TSA’s Passenger Screening
Process

GAO Report: Undercover GAO Investigation Exposes Vulnerabilities in Airport Security

So, what is more important to you?

Is security more important than liberty?

Are you willing to trade civil rights for the illusion of security?

Security doesn't exist. As long as the US has troops in over 100 countries, as long as we continue to back ruthless scumbags like in Saudi Arabia, people are going to hate us. They should hate us, because the US government has helped kill over a million innocent people in the last century. Of course few Americans care about the crimes of the US government. Few people care about our track record in Nicargua, or El Salvador, or Chile, or Indonesia.

In East Timor alone we helped Suharto kill over 100,000 people.

Have you ever seen this page from the National Security archive?

East Timor Revisited

Have you ever been to the National Security archive?

I doubt it.

If the war on terror was real, we should be invading Saudi Arabia, but we can't do that, it would piss off too many people. Instead we invade Afghanistan and Iraq, while allowing Pakistan to train new terrorists and Saudi Arabia to help fund them.

Some people will never flipping get it.