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Originally Posted by mudwhistle
An old argument that has been argued till we're blue in the face. Arguing about it isn't going to change a thing.
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You're right. Only electing Obama and Congressional Democrats will change a thing.
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And another thing, you are under some strange assumption that it is the United States trying to destroy Iraq when in fact we are trying to save it from Al Qaeda and Iranian invaders.
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Considering that those "invaders" wouldn't be there if we were not there being invaders ourselves, that's not a very convincing argument.
However, I was not literally suggesting we were trying to "destroy Iraq." That was a reference to one of the most infamous statements from the Vietnam War: "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." We weren't literally trying to "destroy Vietnam," either, but such destruction is an inevitable consequence of invasion and occupation by a foreign power, such as ourselves.
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We could just leave.....like the Russians left Afghanistan.....leave the country in shambles and say...."sorry....my bag!! Let them fend for themselves!!"
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The country will be in shambles when we leave regardless of when that happens; hell, it's in shambles now! But the sooner we do, the sooner that will be rectified. We are trying to do a job -- or at least pretending to try to do a job, I'm not sure we're actually trying -- that can't be done by us. That is always a recipe for disaster.
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But instead we're in the process of fixing what we broke.....which wasn't all that great in the first place.
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Well, at least you're admitting we broke it. I suppose that's progress. When you figure out that our presence is keeping it broken, and that there's no way WE can fix it, it has to be fixed by the Iraqis themselves, and they can't do that as long as we're there keeping the situation broken, then you will have finished coming to your senses on this matter.
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Having been in that region myself and having seen what the Republican Guard did to it's neighbors I don't think the world is going to miss that government one single bit.
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Indeed it won't, but it won't miss the one we're propping up, either. Sometimes, really in the majority of wars, there aren't any good guys. And sometimes the only winning move is not to play.