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Originally Posted by TSGracchus
You're right. Only electing Obama and Congressional Democrats will change a thing.
Considering that those "invaders" wouldn't be there if we were not there being invaders ourselves, that's not a very convincing argument.
However, I was not literally suggesting we were trying to "destroy Iraq." That was a reference to one of the most infamous statements from the Vietnam War: "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." We weren't literally trying to "destroy Vietnam," either, but such destruction is an inevitable consequence of invasion and occupation by a foreign power, such as ourselves.
The country will be in shambles when we leave regardless of when that happens; hell, it's in shambles now! But the sooner we do, the sooner that will be rectified. We are trying to do a job -- or at least pretending to try to do a job, I'm not sure we're actually trying -- that can't be done by us. That is always a recipe for disaster.
Well, at least you're admitting we broke it. I suppose that's progress. When you figure out that our presence is keeping it broken, and that there's no way WE can fix it, it has to be fixed by the Iraqis themselves, and they can't do that as long as we're there keeping the situation broken, then you will have finished coming to your senses on this matter.
Indeed it won't, but it won't miss the one we're propping up, either. Sometimes, really in the majority of wars, there aren't any good guys. And sometimes the only winning move is not to play.
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I'm not going to waste any more time talking to somebody who's only rational for arguing about the Iraq Conflict is worn out stereotypes about American Imperialism.
I've argued this point too many times to do it again because it proves nothing and solves nothing. Until you folks learn that you can't base everything off of claiming that the invasion was illegal...
which it wasn't....you can't win......and we only end up going in circles if we continue this.
The point is now that we're there it is up to us to be responsible and fix what we broke......not leave a mess....like you want us to. That would be unbelievably irresponsible and would only give people like you something else to brow-beat us about.
Your belief that the sooner we leave the sooner the carnage can begin is a horse-shit answer and not even worth talking about. We'd only end up doing it to save a few bucks....which the Dems will end up spending on worthless entitlements or friggen Global Warming anyway.