Originally Posted by TSGracchus

You're right. Only electing Obama and Congressional Democrats will change a thing.



Considering that those "invaders" wouldn't be there if we were not there being invaders ourselves, that's not a very convincing argument.

However, I was not literally suggesting we were trying to "destroy Iraq." That was a reference to one of the most infamous statements from the Vietnam War: "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." We weren't literally trying to "destroy Vietnam," either, but such destruction is an inevitable consequence of invasion and occupation by a foreign power, such as ourselves.



The country will be in shambles when we leave regardless of when that happens; hell, it's in shambles now! But the sooner we do, the sooner that will be rectified. We are trying to do a job -- or at least pretending to try to do a job, I'm not sure we're actually trying -- that can't be done by us. That is always a recipe for disaster.


Well, at least you're admitting we broke it. I suppose that's progress. When you figure out that our presence is keeping it broken, and that there's no way WE can fix it, it has to be fixed by the Iraqis themselves, and they can't do that as long as we're there keeping the situation broken, then you will have finished coming to your senses on this matter.



Indeed it won't, but it won't miss the one we're propping up, either. Sometimes, really in the majority of wars, there aren't any good guys. And sometimes the only winning move is not to play.