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Re: What Is The Difference Between The Floods In Iowa And Floods In New Orleans?

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If you graduated from a four year university, you've been robbed!
First of all, do you even understand what Posse Comitatus is? A police force isn't what was needed right after Katrina, rescue efforts were!
The rescue efforts provided by the Coast Guard were inadequate,

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The Coast Guard’s response to Katrina was also limited by its fleet, which is inadequate for per­forming the range of security, safety, and law enforcement missions tasked to the Coast Guard.

Learning Katrina's Lessons: Coast Guard Modernization Is a Must
Clearly, the US military's resources would've come in handy.

And the notion that Posse Comitatus is even relevant (which so many right wing posters have attempted to argue here), i. e. that NOLA and/or the state of LA would've raised a legal objection to the US military helping out is also completely ridiculous.

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The US Coast Guard was on the job immediately and no one should argue that fact but further assistance was needed because of the idiots, Blanco and Nagin, that were in office at the time.
Even if they did all they could do, the resources of the state and city would've been inadequate. To alleviate it, several nations provided modern ships, etc. to aid in evacuation but those were swiftly turned away by the airhead-in-chief. . .

First Draft: Bush Administration Turned Down Post Katrina Foreign Aid

It also didn't help that the airhead-in-chief had some 3000 of LA's national guard troops deployed in his silly war in Iraq.

(although Blanco herself stupidly didn't make use of all the ones she had).

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They simply were not prepared but go ahead and remain ignorant if you want since you're obviously so good at it. I LIVED through the disaster and I KNOW for a fact that the majority of the blame lies with those two. In spite of sewer backups which is only natural when the city is under water, other measures could have been taken, such as stocking the Superdome with food, medicine, water, etc. which would have gone a long way in aiding the citizens that showed up there.
Even with all that, the Superdome would've been inadequate. Residents were in the Superdome for several days without any adequate sanitation or policing. People were being robbed, raped, and killed there. Additional water, food, and medicine would've helped, but still inadequate.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Survivors reveal Superdome horror

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We've had threats of other hurricanes in this area and at that time, many showed up at the Dome. Nagin should have known that this would happen again but remember, this man didn't implement the city's disaster plan nor did he call for a mandatory evacuation until tropical force weather was upon us. But go ahead, blame Bush for everything...
Sorry, another of your incorrect assumptions--I've already stated repeatedly that Nagin and Blanco were to blame as well. . .

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State/local officials didn't do everything they could
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FEMA slept (as well as the NOLA mayor and Gov. Blanco, of course).
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Blanco was a fool
And incidentally, the incompetent Gov. Blanco was voted into office by a predominantly Republican electorate !

I'm only arguing that Bush is also to blame. Even assuming nothing else, given the scope of the disaster, it's the height of stupidity for the feds to simply assume the state and NOLA had everything under control. . .

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In a catastrophic disaster like Katrina, tens or hundreds of thousands of lives are immediately at risk. State and local resources are exhausted from the onset, and government leaders are unable to determine or communicate their priority needs. National resources need to show up in hours, not days, in unprecedented amounts regardless of the difficulties.

Learning Katrina's Lessons: Coast Guard Modernization Is a Must
The appropriate thing for a leader to do would've been to be proactive, to not only just accept the foreign aid that came in but also break the law and send in the US military immediately (to keep law and order and aid in evacuations),

because, as is brutally obvious, NOLA was certainly not going to object to that.

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The appropriate thing to do would
those of us that know better will continue to laugh at your ignorance.
Speaking of ignorance. . .

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A police force isn't what was needed right after Katrina
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There may be no better way to explain the desperation on the city's ravaged streets than this: In the past few days, two police officers took their own lives and dozens have turned in their badges.

CNN.com - Katrina aftermath taking toll on police - Sep 5, 2005
and who did you vote for in 2000 and 2004? ?

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This has been known for some time but through FOIA's CREW has uncovered the extent to which the Bush administration delayed, declined and failed to collect foreign aid pledged after Katrina.

First Draft: Bush Administration Turned Down Post Katrina Foreign Aid
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"Can I quit now? Can I go home?" one e-mail sent by former Federal Emergency Management Agency director Michael Brown reads.

E-mails sent by Brown during and immediately after Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast reveal that he was looking for a dog sitter, chatting about shopping and showing concern about his appearance during the tumultuous time.

Brown: 'Can I Go Home?', As Katrina Pummeled Gulf, Michael Brown Pondered Dogs, Wardrobe - CBS News
"Can I quit now?"
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