Yeah, smog, it is not hurting "the planet", it MAY result in some local health problems there might not otherwise have been...but given that the smog is the result of activities which have on balance resulted in a steady INCREASE in overall health and life expectancy of the people living there.....well, you do the math.

So? Are you conceding the point that global climate change is a constant, rather than something man has caused?

Also, there has never been any species in this planet's history with the ability to adapt as we have.

Yes, if a massive asteroid slams into the Earth it will wipe out huge portions of human civilization, but even with that, we would survive and be thriving within several generations. But it would take something exogenous like that to do it (or large scale nuclear war). 4-5 degrees warmer (and that is based on the most extreme forecasts of climate models which have already been shown to be innaccurate to the upside by reality over the last 20 years) will not be calamitous to mankind, most evidence indicates we would be BETTER off to the upside than if temperatures stayed the same or even god forbid drops.

How about Al Gore, he's a one man hysteric over this bullshit. Hell, even you with your "trashing the planet".

Of course you could say that they are not "hysterical", but rather very empassioned, but my question is this, if people like you and Al Gore genuinely believe this nonesense, then why HAVEN'T you taken to the streets, rioting. If you actually believe we are careening towards mass extinction, or "killing" the planet, wouldn't rioting be the rational thing to do?

[QUOTE]Rooobosmith
Ironic that you think your predictions (without computer models) are more reliable than those backed by computer models.[QUOTE]

What predictions? Learn to read. What I have said is that what has ACTUALLY happened (PAST TENSE) has consistently shown that the models used are wrong. No model yet produced has been able to accurately predict what actual happens.

If your investment advisor's model predicts that the dow will double in five years, urging you to invest heavily in a dow indexed stock, at the end of five years if it has either decreased (as the temperature has over the 1990s) or fallen far, far short of the projections, then the model was WRONG.

The models used to support (and even then it requires major-league hyperbole) the notion that we are "killing" the planet or headed for anything other than perfectly normal climate changes (if you're not so utterly narcissistic as to assume that the way you personally have gotten used to the climate being over your miniscule lifespan is "normal") cannot be reconcilled with the fact that most of the warming cited over the last 120 years took place earlier in the century BEFORE the most significant increases in the emissions supposedly responsible for it OR the fact that as emissions have CONTINUED to increase over the last 5-10 years we have actually had COOLING overall.

There is no such thing as "the ice", there are hundreds of glacial icesheets around the world, some certainly more prominent than others. Some have been receeding (as they have been doing for several centuries) some have been expanding.

Again, since the end of the last mini-iceage (not coincidentally coinciding with a period generally referred to as the "dark ages"), overall glacial and icepack covereage has been receeding. The dramatic pictures the hysterics like to show are again, based on a very short period of time. Look how much they have changed in so short a time! As though the "before" pictures from less then a century ago represented exactly how it had been for all of history until man came along and started "killing" or "boiling" the planet. The fact is that if we could take picuture from 300, 200, years ago, you would see evidence of equally dramatic changes LONG before the industrial revolution.

You want evidence of massive climate changes long before man...consider oil, ask yourself what it is, how it comes to be, and then consider the implication of the fact that there is so much of it below places we would consider rather desoltate (deserts, ther arctic tundra, etc.)

Yes I do, and I also know that it is a constant. There has never been a protracted period in our planets history without climate change. That is why it has been replacing the increasingly unsupportable cries of global "warming", because when you cry climate "change", then you will never be "wrong", because the climate will ALWAYS be changing (even if the dire consequences of that change never occur).

"damage" another one of those utterly useless terms bandied about. What are the CONSEQUENCES of all this tremendous "damage", so far despite all the "tremendous damage" and the "trashing" of the planet, the average human life expectancy and overall health and prosperity has increased.

Really? Please provide some specific examples of this very expensive infrastructure that is dependent upon a static climate (which has never, and will never happen).

A few? Plenty of articles and movies warning that man's tinkering would result in africanized bees swarming across the U.S., resulting in countless deaths per year in the coming decades, and this was only assuming that the malthusian wackos of that same period predictions of massive world-wide starvation (billions dead and the "U.K. basically ceasing to exist as a nation") didn't come true (they didn't).

More people will starve and die over the next few years because of the utterly foolish things we have done to avoid the non-existant emergency of global warming, or global climate change. The single greatest threat to human lives today is starvation, exacerbated by the tremendous increase in the cost of many basic food commodities because of misallocation of resources going to ethanol. Ethanol will result in more human beings deaths than global warming or global climate change ever will.

If foolish hyperbole were a crime against humanity, Al Gore would be in the Hague today.

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