After making the last post, I'm thinking about some close friends I have who are solid dems who typify what I'm talking about. They have absolutely zero knowledge about politics and even less interest in learning about the issues. In fact, if I attempt to engage them in serious discussion about politics, one will put her hands over her ears ears and yell, "lalalalalalalalalalalalala..." So, in the interest of preserving our friendship, I don't even try anymore unless they spout some anti-rep rhetoric they heard somewhere, then the door is open long enough for me to let a couple of facts spill in to confuse them. They are good people and if they'd open up their minds a little bit, they'd realize their values and lifestyle are very much opposed to the current dem philosophy. It's frustrating sometimes, even. I try to encourage to just not vote, since they choose to remain completely uninformed. That usually scores points for me.