See this is where i take issue with you. Firstly like Matt said it is an enormous generalisation but i didn't reply immediately because i wanted to have a look round the board and had a look at the recent immigration issues that came up, one like this to with medical issues of deportees (or soon to be) and also to do with the Avena protocol being ratified as a part of the Vienna treaty.

Now while there were a couple of blowhard trolls who there in the usual flow of anti-Mexican crap and the usual jingoistic/xenophobic nonsense for the most part you know who it was that was arguing on behalf of the rights of immigrants? Americans. Not the Europeans on the board but Americans. And ironically its not too much to do with left or right, one of the very few things not to be. Me, Pram and O'sullivan all spoke very vocally about the rights of immigrants and Marcus gave a pretty impressive opinion (from the other side of the argument) on it too.

Sure, we had our fair share of Mexican bashing too (mainly from folks who jack all about immigration and international treaties/relations and can't manage more than one line or so in response, which even at that, has no substance) and our resident retard figured it was time to have a rant on the issue too but it was those of us who are Americans who spoke out in favor of the rights of immigrants, even for those who have committed very heinous crimes.

If you want i'll put in links to the threads and you can have a look for yourself, though if you've been following what goes on up top here for a while you may have seen it.

Also in refference to Matt, he was one of the very few (in fact it was only him me and Goober) who stood up for the DPW deal, while every other poster found their way to critising the deal for trading and leasing ports to Arabs. He even vocally deplored the Xenophobic attatitude after it was agreed there would be no permanent leasing by the DPW conglomerate.

I'll have to think back but when i worked in the INS detainer i may well have been on the wrong side of the law fighting for the detaiees to have consular access. I didn't realise that the Avena protocol was no longer to be followed after the fiasco with the Meddelin issue but i did actually fight for it tooth and nail and while it may still hve been on the books as U.S. federal law, it may well have been removed by then, but i still went out of my way to try and grant them access to their consulates nd embassies.

So don't paint everyone in with the same brush and lump us all into one catergory.