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Re: 2000-member American rabbi group backs Obama on complete settlement freeze
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Originally Posted by Peace Now
OK. So Israel doesn't have a right to exist, rocket attacks against civilians are justified. And "the US probably deserved the 9/11 attack".
Thanks for explaining your point of view. Now we can all see what your idea of justice looks like.
I loved how he ended up justifying the attacks of 9/11 and then condemning them in the same sentence. That was great!
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 You loved it so much you felt you really had to miss out the bit that said; "but the attack on civilians was not necessary, so was not justified."
Why miss out that bit?
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And for the record, since this thread is supposedly about Jews who support removing settlements, there are many Jews (Rabbis or just your average Israelis like me) who are for removing most or all the settlements. A few years ago we saw all the settlements from Gaza removed by Israel, and several settlements in the West Bank as well. But have we seen any gestures from the Palestinian side after that? No, we just got more rockets and more demands. So forgive us if Israel is a little cautious about making further withdrawals.
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Putting aside for a moment what actually happened when you withdrew from Gaza, do you actually think that settlements keep you safe? If not then why dont you just withdraw? Unless you really want the land of course.
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We are going to remove some settlements, but only in keeping with our security concerns. We're not going to just remove all the settlements at once. We’re going to take it slow to see whether at any point the Palestinians do decide to start moving forward perhaps reciprocating with a few peaceful gestures of their own. We’re willing to move forward with the peace process if they’re willing to do their part. But incitement to violence, rocket attacks and refusal to compromise, really aren’t conducive to peace.
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Fair enough, take it slow. But so far its just been expansion in the West Bank. So what else is one meant to think? Moreover, how can one compromise with expansion?
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According to CBS’s estimate, in 2008, the settler population (excluding East Jerusalem) grew at a much faster rate than the general population: 4.7 percent compared to 1.6 percent respectively. In 2007, the population of the settlements (excluding East Jerusalem) grew faster than Israel’s general population: 4.5 percent compared to 1.5 percent. Some 40 percent of the settlements’ population growth was comprised of Jews emigrating from Israel and abroad.
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B'Tselem - Land Expropriation and Settlements - Statistics
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To put it simply, it takes two to tango. And Israel has shown in the past that when we have a real partner on the other side peace is possible.
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See above. It seems from Isrealis themselves that this is not so.
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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Guess who?
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