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Originally Posted by Chocobot
 You loved it so much you felt you really had to miss out the bit that said; "but the attack on civilians was not necessary, so was not justified."
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I didn't leave out that bit. I quoted his statement in its entirety just above that. I then highlighted the part I found most interesting.
I found it amusing how he justifies the attacks, and then in the next breath says that it wasn't necessary so it wasn't justified. Saying that the US deserved the attacks of 9/11 and then just saying that it was not necessary to kill civilians so it's not justified is just double talk. That's some pretty serious verbal acrobatics. It's like saying that you probably deserve to be blown up, or burned alive and reduced to ashes, but it's not necessary so it wouldn't be justified. It's bullshit.
The first part of his sentence clearly states that he thinks the US probably deserved the 9/11 attacks, then he simply qualifies that by saying that killing civilians was not necessary. Your defense of his statement is lame.
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Putting aside for a moment what actually happened when you withdrew from Gaza, do you actually think that settlements keep you safe? If not then why dont you just withdraw? Unless you really want the land of course.
Fair enough, take it slow. But so far its just been expansion in the West Bank. So what else is one meant to think? Moreover, how can one compromise with expansion?
See above. It seems from Isrealis themselves that this is not so.
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Be'tselem doesn't represent all Israelis. It represents a certain point of view and it has a certain agenda. And yes, some Israelis think that the government should remove all settlements right now. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.
But clearly you ignore the fact that Israel withdrew from Gaza, removing all the settlements there, and also several West Bank settlements. You just want to put that fact aside for the moment and the fact that it was answered with thousands of rockets on Israeli towns and villages. You just want to concentrate on accusations that I really just want the land.
You grab on to the existing settlements as an excuse not to recognize Israel's legitimate security concerns, and in order to avoid discussing what Palestinians need to do for peace. And unfortunately that is what the Palestinians are doing as well.
They refuse to take any steps toward peace themselves, or make any kind of gesture or compromise, saying that they still haven't received everything they demanded.
Well, most negotiations aren't handled by one side just giving everything to the other side up front and agreeing to all their demands just to see whether the other side is even willing to talk to them.
I have a question for you as well. What sort of peace deal would you suggest? What would you deem a just peace between Israel and Palestine?