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Originally Posted by Peace Now
I didn't leave out that bit. I quoted his statement in its entirety just above that. I then highlighted the part I found most interesting.
I found it amusing how he justifies the attacks, and then in the next breath says that it wasn't necessary so it wasn't justified. Saying that the US deserved the attacks of 9/11 and then just saying that it was not necessary to kill civilians so it's not justified is just double talk. That's some pretty serious verbal acrobatics. It's like saying that you probably deserve to be blown up, or burned alive and reduced to ashes, but it's not necessary so it wouldn't be justified. It's bullshit.
The first part of his sentence clearly states that he thinks the US probably deserved the 9/11 attacks, then he simply qualifies that by saying that killing civilians was not necessary. Your defense of his statement is lame.
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Indeed, you did quote it. Yet you didnt address it.
You find it amusing? Ok. I find it amusing you cant parse the meaning from the sentence. Or rather you can, but you dont want to.
His point was, the US deserved to take a hit. However, whereas attacking its military would be necessary, as they are the wielders of force in the US, attacking its civilians, who are not, is not necessary - therefore any justification on grounds retaliatory necessity against civilians is not necessary.
Its not doubletalk, because he's not advocating civilian suffering.
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Be'tselem doesn't represent all Israelis. It represents a certain point of view and it has a certain agenda. And yes, some Israelis think that the government should remove all settlements right now. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.
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Indeed, and neither do you.
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But clearly you ignore the fact that Israel withdrew from Gaza, removing all the settlements there, and also several West Bank settlements. You just want to put that fact aside for the moment and the fact that it was answered with thousands of rockets on Israeli towns and villages. You just want to concentrate on accusations that I really just want the land.
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I dont ignore Isreals withdrawal, I just dont want to get into an argument about exactly happened after the IDF evacuated the Gaza settlements. I acknowledge Isreal's withdrawal. I also acknowledge that Isreal's withdrawal did not stop its attacks on Gaza, nor did the withdrawal of some west bank settlements prevent the growth of the others.
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You grab on to the existing settlements as an excuse not to recognize Israel's legitimate security concerns, and in order to avoid discussing what Palestinians need to do for peace. And unfortunately that is what the Palestinians are doing as well.
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They refuse to take any steps toward peace themselves, or make any kind of gesture or compromise, saying that they still haven't received everything they demanded.
Well, most negotiations aren't handled by one side just giving everything to the other side up front and agreeing to all their demands just to see whether the other side is even willing to talk to them.
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I can just as easily say that you grab on to the occasional attacks on Isreal and isrealis as an excuse not to recognize legitimate life concerns of West Bank and Gaza residents in order to avoid discussing what the Isrealis need to do for peace.
Unfortunately thats what your PM is doing as well.
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I have a question for you as well. What sort of peace deal would you suggest? What would you deem a just peace between Israel and Palestine?
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Lets just see if you guys can even manage to share Jerusalem first.