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Originally Posted by Peace Now
I didn't leave out that bit. I quoted his statement in its entirety just above that. I then highlighted the part I found most interesting.
I found it amusing how he justifies the attacks, and then in the next breath says that it wasn't necessary so it wasn't justified. Saying that the US deserved the attacks of 9/11 and then just saying that it was not necessary to kill civilians so it's not justified is just double talk. That's some pretty serious verbal acrobatics. It's like saying that you probably deserve to be blown up, or burned alive and reduced to ashes, but it's not necessary so it wouldn't be justified. It's bullshit.
The first part of his sentence clearly states that he thinks the US probably deserved the 9/11 attacks, then he simply qualifies that by saying that killing civilians was not necessary. Your defense of his statement is lame.
Be'tselem doesn't represent all Israelis. It represents a certain point of view and it has a certain agenda. And yes, some Israelis think that the government should remove all settlements right now. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.
But clearly you ignore the fact that Israel withdrew from Gaza, removing all the settlements there, and also several West Bank settlements. You just want to put that fact aside for the moment and the fact that it was answered with thousands of rockets on Israeli towns and villages. You just want to concentrate on accusations that I really just want the land.
You grab on to the existing settlements as an excuse not to recognize Israel's legitimate security concerns, and in order to avoid discussing what Palestinians need to do for peace. And unfortunately that is what the Palestinians are doing as well.
They refuse to take any steps toward peace themselves, or make any kind of gesture or compromise, saying that they still haven't received everything they demanded.
Well, most negotiations aren't handled by one side just giving everything to the other side up front and agreeing to all their demands just to see whether the other side is even willing to talk to them.
I have a question for you as well. What sort of peace deal would you suggest? What would you deem a just peace between Israel and Palestine?
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Nonsense,
When a thief steals from you, force is deserved in order to get it back.
However, only the force necessary is deserved, it is not justified to use excessive force.
And the US has screwed up and done illegal things, like over throwing the Iranian democracy in 1953, Desert Storm, the invasion of Iraq, invading Iraq, bombarding Beirut, etc. So the use of force is deserved, in order to protect from additional abuse, but 9/11 was excessive because it targeted innocent civilians.
And the removal of settlements is not up to anyone's opinion.
It is required by international law.
It is also immoral to maintain the illegal possession of the land of others.
It is totally unreasonable to expect the Palestinians to make any move towards peace, when Israel still is illegally occupying Arab homes.
Anyone doing that is a criminal, and should not expect any peace.
Justice demands the return of all illegal settlements, and either the right of return or compensation for confiscated land within Israel.