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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: 2000-member American rabbi group backs Obama on complete settlement freeze

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Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
Israel holds the West Bank. They ensure the peace, and there are no rocket attacks into Israel.

Israel turned over the Gaza Strip. Since then, it has been a base for countless attacks into Israel.

This is a clear justification for continued occupancy.
Actually the lack of intifada ensures peace in the West Bank, as Fatah under Abbas wills it.

Isreal withdrew from the Sinai, and did not fire into it, or surround it - thus peace.

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Put it in another context, what would your response be if thugs in Mexico started to fire rockets from Juarez into El Paso? Sure, El Paso was once part of Mexico at one time. Do you turn over El Paso? Do you launch punitive attacks into Juarez? Do you sit back and say "Those damed Americans deserve whatever they get"?
Jeez you really do support land theft dont you?

What you do is, find out what the Mexicans are firing for. You may defend yourself, but a continued policy of assassination is hardly likely to win over the enemy.

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And if the military responds with force, do you condemn them? The people killed in El Paso, are they guilty of some crime deserving of death just because they live in El Paso?

And it could just as easily be Tiajuana and San Diego, or Dickey Maine and Canada.
Youre really not thinking much about this thing, at all.

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One of the promises made when the West Bank was turned over was that the violence would stop. And in all the years since then, I have not heard of one incident where Israel attacked unprovoked.
Isreal started an assassination campaign, sent shells on to picniking families on the gaza beach and continued to build and expand settlements. I've not heard of one instance where the Palestinians have attacked unprovoked.

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I don't have much sympathy for the Palestinians. Probably because they continue to use fear and death as a tactic to try and get what they want. And they do not negotiate in good faith. They might get more sympathy if they follow much more successful "resistance leaders", like Dr. King and Ghandi.

But like children, they simply lash out at something that angers them. And wonder why so many people consider them thugs and barbarians.
I don't have much sympathy for the Isrealis. Probably because they continue to use fear, death and construction of settlements, water confiscation, land confiscation as a tactic to try and get what they want. And they do not negotiate in good faith. They might get more sympathy if they follow much more successful "peace leaders", like Dr. King and Ghandi.

But like children, they simply lash out at something that angers them. And wonder why so many people consider them thugs and barbarians.

What do you think of this statement? Where am I going wrong?
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