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Originally Posted by Eagle88
You just changed the subject. The point is that these programs are socialist. I didn't even mention "communism under a different shape".
Try and keep up. Premise 1. Karl Marx said that first a nation moves into socialism then into communism. Premise 2. Obama's programs and ideas are socialist. Premise 3. Implementing Obama's plans would move this country into further socialism. Conclusion: If we are moving in the direction of socialism then we are on schedule according to Karl Marx in moving towards communism.
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1) False. Marx predicted a violent uprising which would go into a dictatorship of the proletariat. This would put everything into the workers hands and then dissolve itself, leaving to communism (which is a kind of Anarchy.) He actually wasn't a fan of socalism as he saw it as a half mesure.
2) Certain ones are, but not fully socalist. They have socalist elements but no more. For eample, the takeover of GM left the bosses and a capitalist structure in place.
3) False. The US is already a socalist country, Obamas plans would neither further take the US into socalism or move it out. Not that Socalism is some kind of progressive slope which goes in a linier direction from the US to Sweden...
Conclusion; False. An invalid and unsound arguement. You've hit the jackpot here. You show a supurb misundertsanding of Marxist historical theory, don't factor in dialectics and then competly misinterprete his ideas. And thats just premise one.
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