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Re: U.S. passport rules are 'war on tourism'

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo
Are you that blind, or are you just pretending? There are so many examples that I don't even know where to start. The biggest human rights problem in today's America is the over two million inmates in American prisons. Most of them live there under horrible conditions and many of them gets beaten up by the prison guards on regular bases. www.hrw.org/doc/?t=usa_prisons

Death penalty off course, but lets not get into that.

Then there's the extensive police brutality and violation of citizens rights in most of the country. Below is a article about it and theres more where that came from.
FIrst of all the HRW article seems to really only mention the issue of Katrina. Were mistakes made there? Yep you betcha, however given the enormity of the disaster it really isn't all that suprising. Oh and by the way HRW doesn't seem to mention all the criminals that will get off through the court system because Katrina destroyed the evidence. Are there individual cases of abuse elsewhere? I would be suprised if there weren't humans being human and all. I would imagine countries in the EU, as well as Canada, also have their instances of guards going overboard. However this is hardly evidence of a systemic problem. When we do find problems, like the one in Texas not to long ago over how they treated Misouri inmates that were sent to Texas prisons, we correct the situation and make it public. It is not swept under the rug. Provide me with you evidence that "many of them gets beaten up by the prison guards on regular bases." Moreover lets see if you can find instances of "Most of them live there under horrible conditions". Remember you said most not some or a few or one, but most so lets see your proof. Moreover compare it to the horrible conditions elswhere.

No for the death penalty. Frankly that is simply a difference btween the US and Europe. We believe in it you do not. I have no doubt because of that you will see it as a violation of someones human rights. Frankly I have mixed views on it, but when proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone committed murder I have no problem with the death penalty.

Finally lets talk about this:
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Then there's the extensive police brutality and violation of citizens rights in most of the country. Below is a article about it and theres more where that came from
The article you reference by the way seems to contradict your assertion that "there is extensive police brutality and violation of citizens rights". Lets examine what the article actually says.

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Abuse by law enforcement officers in the United States is one of the most serious and divisive human rights violations in the country. The violations persist nationwide, in rural, suburban, and urban areas of the country, committed by various law enforcement personnel including local and state police, sheriff's departments, and federal agents. Police have engaged in unjustified shootings, severe beatings, fatal chokings, and unnecessarily rough treatment. While the proportion of repeatedly abusive officers on any force is generally small, responsible authorities— including law enforcement supervisors, as well as local and federal government leadership—often fail to act decisively to restrain or penalize such acts.
Does this occur? Yep it sure does from time to time. Is it a daily occurance everywhere as you seem to imply? Nope, but since you get your information from newspapers in Europe and Bailey and not from actual exerience in the US I am not suprised you think this way. By the way where exactly did this article come from. It is customary to provide that type of information mentioning that articles author. Other wise it is called plagurism or using someone elses words without giving them credit.

It is as I have always said about you. You read something in you local paper or see something on your local TV and assume that makes you an expert on life in America. If it weren't so pathetic it would be funny.
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