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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas
There seems to be a language issue.
I have looked up the meaning of the word "concentration camp" in english. I reckognize that its a very ambivalent term, so holocaust denial is a too strong word as you said this in english. If you would have said it in German I still would firmly stand to my comment.
Still I can not accept the way you make accusations like these, they are unholdable and I might quote this part of what Wikipedia has to say on it:
Dont say your usage of the term concenration camp was used while not knowing that double meaning.
And apart from this the term Concentration camp hardly meets its needed requirements. People are there for a limited time, until they are brought back to the countries they come from or are located to other places where they can wait for a fair asylum case.
If any, and I repeat any human rights violations should take place in those camps you call concentration camps, anyone can go to the courts. If being rejected by the member state, you can go up till the European Court of Human Rights. If you have any proof for violations personally, don't waste time arguing with me, get in contact with a lawyer and help getting such case initiated. But you might come too late anyway, unlike Russia we do not throw out NGO's out of our countries under the pretense of being foreign financed hostile organisations. And really believe me or not, our states are not in love with what those organisations do, as they are often a (essential and good) pain in the ass.
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Strange to see as you or some other forum members use the Wikipedia as absolute infallible source to cite, setting all dots over "i". The concentration camps were invented long before Nazis, namely by Brits in their war with Boers in South Africa, these camps existed in the WWI either. The goal of any concentration camp is forcible isolation of great amounts of people in emergency situations when the law or even martial courts simply are not able to carry on the hearings of every single case for the time reason. The concentration camps are direct consequences of wars unseen in history of old, comprehanding millions or even tens of millions people. The termination of prisoners is not necessary feature of the concentration camp. For instance Guantanamo seems to offer enough bearable conditions, but comply to the subject of CC cause all prisoners are isolated without concrete charge or defined term. Whatever be it, the main human right - for freedom if not charged in crime - is violated, as well as in case of European camps for Africans. The reason for existence of those camps is quite understandable - as answer to the threat to Natonal Security of EU or the USA. The human rights of prisoners are being neglected, cause the prisoners have obvious and doubtless potential to hurt the National Security and society, their human rights (to move in direction of European shores) contradict to the interests of the European community, though don't undergo the definition of direct breaking the criminal law.
This is the thing that you in the West can not confess - the however long and detailed list of laws never can describe, prevent, regulate or punish all the possible dangers or the real world as well as the human rights of one person finish there where they hurt or threaten the human rights of the other.
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unlike Russia we do not throw out NGO's out of our countries under the pretense of being foreign financed hostile organisations
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The foreign financed NGOs are always loud if there are some little chances to perform the case of Khodorkovsky or of any representative of foreign interests as the violation of human rights in barbarical Russia, but not a single bastard in these NGOs have ever moved his ass in real cases of injustice. All the Russia went into the streets as the obviously unguilty car-driver, who's car was hit by the car of the Governor of one Russian province (and Governor has died in the accident), was sentenced to a few years term. The government of Russia was forced to intrude and abolish the desicion of local court. All the country spoke about the issue and appealed for justice, and everybody celebrated when the man was freed. And only western NGOs in Russia were silent and ignorant - he was an ordinary Russian, not vivid pro-western democrat, Jew or owner of oil-company.
All western-funded NGOs are fully discredited in Russia and some are simply hated, therefore all the financial grants still being pumped in them is only waste of money. Sad, that small quantity of really useful NGOs which were not concerned with political attack against our State are weakened together.