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Originally Posted by Gort
Oleg, the British and French would have cared less had Hitler attacked east into Russia, all they cared about and all they claimed was that THEY avoided war with the Germans.
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Ok, I cite it for you. "I've brought you the peace." Therefore not only Russians thought they avoided the war with Germany which was your claim.
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Please tell me you don't think the whole "Germans thought anyone who wasn't Aryan were untermenshcen" was a construct of the Allies after the war. Surely you aren't that backward.
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Look sharp - I said "exxagerations".
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When was Mein Kampf written again? He pretty much laid it out for you. In Mein Kampf Hitler made it clear that the Germans were looking for Lebensraum and the place the were looking for it from was to the east.
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So what? Margaret Thatcher have said openly that only 15 millions of Russian is the economically grounded quantity to dwell in Russia (He told that and if there were no Iron Curtain for information, I wonder what would have been the reaction of 250 millions in Soviet Russia). Madlen Albright has said that it's historically unjust that all Siberia belongs to Russians. And so was before him. Hitler was not too original to us, Gort.
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In preparation for the attack Hitler moved over 3 million men to the eastern front, and yet Stalin still had no idea what was comming.
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You know it now, but don't know how many coffins really arrive from Iraq, because you must not to. Or, let's say, you better don't know it, so it's all for your sake. Soldiers and the people in Germany knew not more for the same reasons.
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Please Oleg, if you want to fool yourself that is fine by me but don't expect me to join you in that revision of history. There may have been some people who were suprised, after all he was a dictator and it is pretty well known that he did a lot of the planning for Barbarosa himself.
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Don't join. I'm satisfied with the degree of your admittances.
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Oleg I am not trying to take away anything from the USSR with respect to the price they paid or what they achieved in the latter years of the war, but in 1939 you got suckered. Stalin took a gamble knowing he had done damage to his military and it wsan't ready to fight. He was playing for time to rebuild. Hitler needed time to finish off the west first. But the attack was comming. All you had to do was read Mein Kampf to know it was coming.
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Hitler attacked with forces equal to ours. There are no evidences that his design was based on information about results of Purges, he counted on rapid, quick and unexpected strike first. His army was not ready for positional war, it hadn't winter ammunition. Hitler was gambler, not Stalin. Stalin underetimated the adventurism of Hitler. He thought the assault is possible only at twice or thrice overcome in number and force of the attacker - as followed from common martial theories, and that was in the least reasonable. But Hitler cast his dice. He was racer, that poor Hitler, and that led him to his fatal doom. He put everything on the zero - to finish by the November or to lose.