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Old 11-20-2006
oleg oleg is offline
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Re: Russia in the future

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Originally Posted by Gort View Post
Oleg if that was true why did you then bother to carve up Poland between you two in the Ribbentrop Moletov agreement? Moreover where was Chamberlain when he said that? Not Russia. He and the French leader could care less what happened to Russia since they looked at the Bolshevik negotiation to end their part in WWI as a betrayal anyway. Nothing happens in a vacum Oleg. Learn your history.
Right, nothing happens in vacuum. Few hundreds years Poland was the province of Russian Empire. The control was lost when Bolshevicks violently seized the power (Oktober of 1917) in conditions of staggering new born Russian democracy (February of 1917). They could hold it further if only the unity of strong and mighty forces opposed to them would have been scattered and fight one another. Therefore Bolshevicks started that parade of sovereighnities - they simply told to the provinces' national elites to take as much power as they wanted to. Afterwhile, as all threats to dictature of Bolshevicks were destroyed they started to claim the presented souvereignities back, naturally they wanted to command all territory of Empire. They got control back over Siberia, Caucasus and Middle Asia relatively easy, but some territories were lost for two decades - the operation in Poland of 1920 and in Finnish province of 1939 failed, besides that Germans occupied Baltic provinces up to the 1918 and under threat (or by conspired plan) forced the Bolshevicks to admit the existance of three absolutely new states - Estland, Latland and Lithauen. The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pakt was for Stalin just the end of the story of 20-years long, and to his mind Russia retrieved part of her territories back.
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Sure I know exactly how many soldiers die in Iraq, and I know how many are injured.
Really? You control all the night disembarkments on all the bases, you count all the soldiers without citizenship and all that international bob-tails hired garbage of Haliburton? Respect.
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Oleg When Madeline Albright said whatever she said did we have troops sitting right on your border?
Hm, when Hitler wrote his dreams, where were German troops? Germany was demilitarised if I recall it right.
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I am not sure what you are referring to with Margaret Thatcher
She said it, and those of Russians who are informed of it will never forget it.
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Not sure what the hell this is supposed to mean either, must be a lnguage barrier thing.
Yes, I meant "admissions", I created the "admittances" from the root "admit" too hasty.


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Please the fact that Stalin had purged significant parts of the military command structure wasn't exactly a well kept secret Oleg, escept maybe from Russians. Why do you think he counted on a quick first strike? He was wrong.
"The strike first makes half of victory". Every street boy knows that plain.
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But part of the reason he was wrong was you got lucky with a severe winter, you got supplies fromt he west until while a number of your own factories were moved east of the Urals to keep them away from German attack, Hitler was an idiot when it came to tactics, and last your own new commanders proved not to be all that bad either.

Oleg I know WWII history fairly well. I also have the advantage of not having been raised with only one version of it.
I already touched this topic in this forum and discussed it with Web on Central Asia/Russia page. The argument of lucky Russians which have especially severe winter in the years they are assaulted is very beloved in West, French like it too in regard to the Napoleon. All the way it's modestly silenced the fact that in the time of Bonapart and in the time of Hitler all European armies and the Russian one too were not designed to wage war in winter time at all by default. The cold season simply vetoed all the maneouvers and garrisoned all divisions on the captured positions till the spring. All those moans about Russian winter mean only one thing - when we had to be defeated accordingly the european rules for possible variations of war, we broke the rules and won the impossible war. Each time we wrote the second part of the scenario in which we supposed to be only actors. That's annoying, I understand.
Secondly, I already got tired to remain, that the West started to supply Soviet Union only after the Germans were stopped and throwed back by the Moscow. Up to this moment the West simply waited and thought us to be chanceless and therefore not worthing for help.
And thirdly, I wonder which versions of history you boast you know so exellent? That one that W. Churchill said about - "History will have mercy on me, cause I will write her"? Or the US' one where the D-day and Pacific operations determined the victory? The decisive contribution to the success by Moscow was the intel information, that Japan will not attack us. One third of all divisions that have been frozen up to our Siberian border was rapidly taken away and thrown to the West and said hello to Germans. Add this as third version, just for fun.
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