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Right, nothing happens in vacuum. Few hundreds years Poland was the province of Russian Empire. The control was lost when Bolshevicks violently seized the power (Oktober of 1917) in conditions of staggering new born Russian democracy (February of 1917). They could hold it further if only the unity of strong and mighty forces opposed to them would have been scattered and fight one another. Therefore Bolshevicks started that parade of sovereighnities - they simply told to the provinces' national elites to take as much power as they wanted to. Afterwhile, as all threats to dictature of Bolshevicks were destroyed they started to claim the presented souvereignities back, naturally they wanted to command all territory of Empire. They got control back over Siberia, Caucasus and Middle Asia relatively easy, but some territories were lost for two decades - the operation in Poland of 1920 and in Finnish province of 1939 failed, besides that Germans occupied Baltic provinces up to the 1918 and under threat (or by conspired plan) forced the Bolshevicks to admit the existance of three absolutely new states - Estland, Latland and Lithauen. The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pakt was for Stalin just the end of the story of 20-years long, and to his mind Russia retrieved part of her territories back.
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Look lets skip all the propogandizing bullshit here shall we? What you are saying is since Russia at one time, and this has changed from time period to time period throughout history, did control these areas you have a perfect right to go back in any time you damn well please and get them back? Does that still apply? If so can we assume Russia will once again try to militarily retake Poland, Ukraine, Georgia, the various Stans in south central aisa, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. This is pure nationalistic crap. It would be like me saying look for a period of time our troops were in Mexico and even parts of Canada so they all belong to us whenever we feel like going back. I understand your pride won't let you look at WWII factually, and we will get to another little fact you are incorrect abount in a minute, but may I suggest you keep these little ideas to your Russian nationailst friends. We know the history, and frankly just because at one time you controlled these areas means nothing. If it did Koenigsberg along with the rest of East Pussia is open to Germany retaking it when they want. I doubt you, and I am certain the Poles, would argue that point. So please lets deal in the real world, not in your dreams of lost empire.
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Really? You control all the night disembarkments on all the bases, you count all the soldiers without citizenship and all that international bob-tails hired garbage of Haliburton? Respect.
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To begin with the "international bobtails" are not military so frankly I don't care how many of them are killed. They went their only for the money. I only really care about the number of US troops killed or injured, just as the British probably only really care about the number of their troops killed or injured. I am pretty sure if I wanted to know the numbers of British troops killed or injured I could find out. I am not sure what you think respect has to do with anything here.
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Hm, when Hitler wrote his dreams, where were German troops? Germany was demilitarised if I recall it right.She said it, and those of Russians who are informed of it will never forget it. Yes, I meant "admissions", I created the "admittances" from the root "admit" too hasty.
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Did Madeline Albright ever say America needs lebensraum and we are looking to the lands of Untermenschen to provide it? Did Thatcher? Hell did Churchill when he mentioned the Iron Curtain, see your knowledge of history isn't what you think since Thatcher didn't coin the phrase Iron Curtain. Nope none of them did, but Hitler did and still you ignored the threat. Well don't despair you were in good company back then.
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"The strike first makes half of victory". Every street boy knows that plain.
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And had it not been for the winter and resupply it would have been the knock out blow.
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Secondly, I already got tired to remain, that the West started to supply Soviet Union only after the Germans were stopped and throwed back by the Moscow. Up to this moment the West simply waited and thought us to be chanceless and therefore not worthing for help.
And thirdly, I wonder which versions of history you boast you know so exellent? That one that W. Churchill said about - "History will have mercy on me, cause I will write her"? Or the US' one where the D-day and Pacific operations determined the victory? The decisive contribution to the success by Moscow was the intel information, that Japan will not attack us. One third of all divisions that have been frozen up to our Siberian border was rapidly taken away and thrown to the West and said hello to Germans. Add this as third version, just for fun.
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Lets see the first convoy to land in Murmansk was the Dervish Convoy which landed on August 31, 1941. It delivered raw materials and Hawker Hurricanes.
The second convoy, PQ1, arrived at Archangelsk on October 11, 1941 and delivered 20 tanks and 193 Hurricans.
PQ2 sailed from Liverpool and arrived at Archangel on October 30, 1941 with 6 ships bringing supplies.
PQ3 sailed from Hvalfjord and arrived at Archangel on November 22, 1941 with 8 ships bringing supplies.
PQ4 sailed from Hvalfjord and arrived at Archangel on November 28, 1941 with 8 ships bringing supplies
PQ5 sailed from Hvalfjord and arrived at Archangel on December 13, 1941 with 7 ships bringing supplies.
Now lets look specifically at on of these convoys, PQ17, It left Rekjavik on June 27, 1942. When it left it had 39 merchant ships. 24 of those ships were sunk while we supposedly
"waited and thought us to be chanceless and therefore not worthing for help." as you so eloquently put it. The USSR did puch the Germans back from Moscow in the winter of 1941-42, however it wasn't until the victory at the battle of Stalingrad in the January 1943 that it became clear the Soviet Army had the upper hand. By that time if you go to the site I linked to you can see how many convoys had been sent, and how many ships and men lost their lives not giving a shit about the USSR's efforts. It isn't me that doesn't have all the facts Oleg. In fact now it isn't even you that can't get them. It is however you that refuses to acknowledge them. I could understand your thought process when the Soviet government handed you what they thought you needed to know and blocked you from getting anything elese. But you know have the ability to get that information and still you prefer to live in ignorance. For that I pity you.
http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/russian/index.html
Now I can go on and on here, and in fact I once saw a list of the types of material sent, when it was sent and the tonage recieved somewhere, I am still looking for that. Now in the face of this care to rethink you assertion about when the allies started shipping supplies to aid the USSR in its defense? I will try to find that again to be honest just so I can rub it in you face after your little diatribe about how no one bothered to lift a finger to help the poor Soviets. Learn your history son or debate with the amatuers. Propoganda doesn't pass for facts here.