Originally Posted by oleg

You are so loud and pleased with your cozy arrogant self-feeling of your supremacy and omnisciency, that you obviously seem not to read the posts attentively. The result is as everybody can witness here - the rediculous outburst of groundless clishees which you stuck upon me. Look once again to my post. I only have given the retrospective view of Stalin in the period of 40-s, which he had about the developing of the situation since the beginning of the 20th century. I used the terms of that time, like "the provinces" for provinces they were and stayed in the eyes of Bolshevicks who first made them independent and claimed that independence back few years afterwhile. But oh, that all was not matter to you. Here that came suddenly: "propogandizing bullshit", "pure nationalistic crap", "you keep these little ideas to your Russian nationailst friends", "lets deal in the real world, not in your dreams of lost empire". It is the same as if you for instance asked the Slartibartfas to describe the considerations of German government in 30-s, which led them to military and political decisions and after he presented them to you, you would call him Nazi and fascist bastard-hitlerjugend. You are laughable, because you see exactly what you want to see and nothing else. Of course to your mind every Russian must be the brutal imperialist and nationalist - how else, as you have lost the suitable Commi clishee you stuck upon Russians earlier? You really don't need to bother yourself with the communication in forum - why, if you artifically create thoughts and ideas for your opponents? You could simply open your wordpad, type questions and answers, complying to your vision of the world.
Everybody watched the video where these hirelings fired at the civil cars for fun. And everybody knows that they make in the least one third "invisible" part of occupation forces full armed and beyond the any law. You don't give a damn? Ok, but it is part of your army, however you condone their deeds and casualties.

They probably didn't study German, and Hitler as showed history was too direct and reckless in his proclamations, therefore 50 years after Hitler and Nuremberg, in English those things sound a bit softer and more accurately. Instead of Untermenshen - the rest beyond the so-called Civilized World, instead of Lebensraum - National interests of USA and Western (which are of course the US') values. It would have been bloody partisan bog, thousand times worse than Iraq, Vietnam or Afganistan, the war without victory.I know all the facts you applied. And I fully recognize the glory of the captains and sailors of the PQ-caravans. I recognize the sincerity of the American and Soviet soldiers who shaked the hands on the Elbe meeting and I remember the heroizm of American pilots who transported the war-planes over the Pacific Ocean to our air-fields in Siberia. But all this happened after blitzkrieg was turned to position war in November 1941. Since that moment the time was working against Hitler and Stalingrad was not the mere luck and turnover.
I don't say USSR received no help at all in decisive 1941. But you can compare your own data - look for the PQ1-5 and the PQ-17, look for tonnage and quantity of vessels. First convoys were the convoys "of diplomacy", however cynical it sounds, but politics comes along with cynism. That was very clever diplomacy as even now you can cite the chronicles for me and use them in dispute. The best pragmatic example of attitude towards USSR in those days expressed H.Truman who said :"If Germans are winning we should help Soviets, if USSR - then othervise, and let them kill one another as long as possible". The 20 tanks could not of course contribute the meaningful share as the thousands of tanks clashed on both sides. But this policy really had changed in 1942. Soviet government could not hand me anything and block me from getting anything because I was too small to be interested in politics when it crumbled. What else exept facts you mister High Hat Professional think the propaganda operates with? Of course it is only we who are the stupid victims of propaganda, because you are too wise and clever guy to be affected, there is no stinkin' propaganda in the West democracies besides that, only clear abstract reliable facts, eh?)))