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Originally Posted by metalted
Well one can not help but see the similarities between extremist islam, and the lefts view of what a conservative is, warlike and religious fundamentalist.
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I don't know what you mean by a left's view of a conservative. My view of a conservative coincides with the defintion given by the OED (Oxford English Dictionary). From the concise edition:
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Originally Posted by OED
1. Adverse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.
2. (in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership and socially conservative ideas.
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I see no relation to extremist Islam. Extremists are more likely to be radical and not conservative.
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Originally Posted by metalted
well i guess if you think extremists getting nukes or dirty bombs is impossible.
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Nukes, no, I don't think so. Nukes do not have a tendency to lay around.
Dirty bombs, yes, that's a possibilty, but any kind of extremist has a similar chance of getting hold of that. The nuclear Pandora's box has been opened and won't be closed again.
But dirty bombs are not that dangerous, you know. It's unlikely there would be as much as a single death from one.
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Originally Posted by metalted
true extremists come in all types, but one type we are at war with.
one is promoting violence and does not feel any alliegance to its own country.
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9/11 was perpetrated by Osama Bin Laden. A Saudi of a prominent family. Most hijackers were Saudis. Whom exactly are you at war with again ?
And allegiance to a country is for nationalists, not for everybody. I have 0% allegiance to my 'country'.
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Originally Posted by metalted
1500 can do alot of damage. Right I am very tough and critical of muslims, I admit that freely, but I am without hate. I do think that muslims must have to adapt to our culture, not vice versa. Yes I know multiculturalism is a real think, USA is founded on multiculturalism. But that does not mean the the USA does not have a distinct culture on its own. For instance muslims come over here, they can practice thier customs, but they should also learn english get a job, and get citzenship, and vote. And disperse, share thier culture with the rest of us, people should not live in isolated communities hidden from the rest of us.
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Only if you favour assimilation over integration. Do the Amish assimilate ? Nope, but they're integrated. Most muslims will assimilate, some will integrate.
And what is American culture ? Is it Woody Allen or American football or both ? Is it Alice Cooper, Britney Spears or the Boston Philharmonic ?
My point is that there is no such thing as a national culture. There are many subcultures even within mainstream society. The same argument goes for the alleged danger French or German or UK culture is supposed to be facing.
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Originally Posted by metalted
Muslims can still learn to appreciate hotdogs and american football and still go to mosques right? Thats what I want to see. ( I am not demanding all muslims watch football, I don't particularly like watching sports) I just mean they should participate in the american way of life as well.
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Mohammed Atta played the role of the average American. That didn't turn out to well...
You have about 3 million muslims in the USA. There don't seem to be much problems there. There was a regrettable, but even in my view understandable, backlash shortly after 9/11 but I haven't heard of serious issues lately. So you have already that number of assimilated/integrated muslims. What's the problem ?
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Originally Posted by metalted
I think the arresting/censuring of imams would do wonders for the image of islam, believe it or not, but the ones that give islam a bad name is not me, not the radical right, its the extremist muslims themselves.
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Sorry, but that's only to people who prefer to generalize instead of differentiate. There is so much turmoil on this site over alleged or real anti-Americanism from generalizing statements and you're doing the exact same thing here towards muslims.