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Originally Posted by WarOnIgnorance
9/11 was perpetrated by Osama Bin Laden. A Saudi of a prominent family. Most hijackers were Saudis. Whom exactly are you at war with again ?
And allegiance to a country is for nationalists, not for everybody. I have 0% allegiance to my 'country'.
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I was talking about british muslims having alleigance to britian. Well I do think everyone should have some allegiance to thier own country, you know, atleast for that fact that its your family, friends, culture, language.
well maybe you dont really have a culture since your so multiculturalist
I hear that is a problem for british muslims, its hard to attach themselves to a dilluted multicultural society.
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Originally Posted by WarOnIgnorance
Only if you favour assimilation over integration. Do the Amish assimilate ? Nope, but they're integrated. Most muslims will assimilate, some will integrate.
And what is American culture ? Is it Woody Allen or American football or both ? Is it Alice Cooper, Britney Spears or the Boston Philharmonic ?
My point is that there is no such thing as a national culture. There are many subcultures even within mainstream society. The same argument goes for the alleged danger French or German or UK culture is supposed to be facing.
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Your absolutely right, I would be happy if American muslims were into any side of american culture, be it heavy metal, or classical high class yuppy whatever. They could integrate like the amish so long as I they aren speeking hate and anti western philosphy in thier mosques.
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Originally Posted by WarOnIgnorance
Mohammed Atta played the role of the average American. That didn't turn out to well...
You have about 3 million muslims in the USA. There don't seem to be much problems there. There was a regrettable, but even in my view understandable, backlash shortly after 9/11 but I haven't heard of serious issues lately. So you have already that number of assimilated/integrated muslims. What's the problem ?
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Nope, not to many problems at all, there are some, but no where near as bad as europe. I use my country as an example.
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Originally Posted by WarOnIgnorance
Sorry, but that's only to people who prefer to generalize instead of differentiate. There is so much turmoil on this site over alleged or real anti-Americanism from generalizing statements and you're doing the exact same thing here towards muslims.
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I do differentiate, I want the haters arrested and/or deported. Saying what you want calmly and without being hysterical, while differentiating between the good and the bad muslims like I am is not in my view hate speech. If someone spoke on this site about America like I am I would not consider it hate speech.
"I think America is trying to do good, but its unfortuantly appears like its not working, I think it would be best for all of us if they just left Iraq because...."
thats not hate speech, thats just an oppinion.