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Originally Posted by Dilettante
Whoa there!
What logic is faulty? Where did I even attempt to employ logic? I made an observation about the nature of the law and said I agreed with the court decision. How can my logic be faulty?
And where did I equate "'partial birth' with killing a full term baby"?
Kindly don't toss me in with "millions of other people" just so you can label me!
Brutality is, admittedly, subjective. I would say that there is something especially brutal and disturbing about the doctor looking directly at the fetus'/baby's head and then plunging a sharp instrament into it.
I support the decision because it bans a procedure in which the fetus/baby is half-way out of the women before being killed and is then removed the rest of the way. It's not like the women is avoiding the birth procedure here.
They might as well remove it without stabbing it.
If it really isn't viable, it'll die and the result is the same as an abortion.
If it is viable and can live outside the womb, then thank goodness we didn't stab it in the head!
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The faulty logic lies in your ignorance of abortion procedures. How do you think a fetus is killed in all other cases of abortion?
You say: "I would say that there is something especially brutal and disturbing about the doctor looking directly at the fetus'/baby's head and then plunging a sharp instrament [sic] into it". The only way you could possibly equate this as being MORE brutal than other abortion methods without consideration of stage of pregnancy, has to be your ignorance of abortion in general.
Viability of the fetus is what most people, and I suspect yourself included, are concerned about. Just because the fetus is partially out of the womb does not mean it is either late term or viable or either of these.
A partial birth abortion does not mean that a woman goes into the normal full term birth process and then the
BABY is murdered as it evacuates the birth canal. Unfortunately, that is what people think when they hear "partial birth".
The only technical difference between partial birth abortion and any other kind of abortion is that the fetus is killed outside the womb after labor is induced. It isn't necessarily performed late term even. In many cases, it is used as a method that will preserve the health of the woman's uterus or cervix when other abortion methods would not be as safe.
Even a miscarriage is a birth. The difference being that labor was the bodies natural response to a pregnancy gone wrong. The fetus is presumably already dead but often the fetus is still alive when the miscarriage begins.
Do you understand?
You can't possibly be MORE offended by the brutality of "partial birth" abortion as opposed to a D&C where a fetus is scraped off in shreds like a pimple or as in Suction and Aspiration, sliced up and sucked out of the uterus.
What you take offense at is the that "partial birth" abortions are performed on a fetus that is viable/in the normal process of birth/late stage - but that's not what "partial birth abortion" means.