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Old 04-18-2007
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Re: Should cars be banned from inner parts of large European cities?

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Originally Posted by Gort View Post
Sucre you are always at the mercy of the schedule of the PT system even if it is well concieved. You are also at the mercy of the unions which most of the employees belong to. You seem to be under the impression I am against the development of a PT system, and that is not the case. I just prefer not to have to rely on it myself is all. As far as being at the nercy of the car I am not sure what you mean. It is an object that only I control. I put the key in it and it takes me where I direct it to take me, either by the fastest route or by the most scenic route whichever I am in the mood for. I am not reliant on when it decides it will run, it always runs when I want it to nor am I at the mercy of some operator and city that can't seem to get their respective idea of a good wage or benefit package in sync with each other.
Within a city, thats not really the case. I have not a single timetable in my head in Vienna. Except for the train home to my village in the deep province.

You dont need to have timetables in your head if every bus, tram and subway goes every 3-10 minutes, the subway normally every 3-6 min. Only in the very periphery this might be not the case for buses. From 1 am to 5 am the night line buses go every half an hour. Show me a car where I could drive home alone after a longer party with alcohol. (After 2-3 beer you can say already good bye to your driving license if you are caught, and if one is not caught he still is an asshole to drive drunk). PT makes people free in the night. I am not at the mercy of a driver anymore, nor do I have to spend a fortune for those overpriced taxis who want a small fortune in the night.

You control your car btw, but not the traffic. And I would be more than astonished to hear that clogged streets or rush hour are things that are totally unknown in the US. And then there is the the factor security, Americans are so sensitive about. PT is considerably safer to ride than a car to drive. And perhaps in the US you have everywhere more than sufficient parking lots, but here its a pain in the ass to find an affordable one in at least half of the city.

PS:
Are 409€ really that expensive? Thats what it costs to have a ticket for 365 days 24 hours a day that permits you to use every public means of transport that exists within the city limits of Vienna. If you do not use the PT regularly there are month/week tickets etc.
Show me how a car can compete with that within a city.

PPS:
Have you seen my respond to you on the page 5?
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