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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Ban on Partial-Birth Abortion

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Originally Posted by Dilettante View Post
That right there captures why I see no problem with this ruling.
The law "makes it a crime for a doctor to perform an abortion when the 'entire fetal head' or 'any part of the fetal trunk past the navel' is outside the woman's uterus."

If the health of the women allows for the "birth" of half the fetus/baby, how on earth is the women helped by the doctor stabbing that half before the rest is "born"? It's not like crushing the skull when it's already outside is going to make removing the rest any easier.
If the fetus isn't viable, then it will die without the doctor having to stab it to death. If it is viable, then the doctor sure has hell shouldn't be stabbing it.
The actual act of the abortion in this procedure (i.e. the killing of the fetus) is either utterly unnecessary (it wasn't viable) or serves only to kill a living human (it was viable). It doesn't do the woman any good.
And your gynecological/obstetric experience is...?

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That's why this procedure is so disturbing. If the women's body won't survive birth, then it makes perfect sense to kill and cut up the fetus in utero so it can be removed in smaller, easier pieces. It's disgusting, but it can be necessary.
But this? This is also disgusting but it serves no purpose.
Then your real argument is not against this particular method of killing a fetus but the idea of killing a fetus unless it is "necessary".

That's a separate argument and the fact that you cloaked your belief in the partial-birth-abortion-is-particularly-brutal argument makes it seem as if you are insecure in your own judgement.

There is no need to beat around the bush. Abortion is horrible. The problem lies in the fact that neither you nor I are medical professionals capable of judging when an abortion is medically necessary and what method to use. Neither are you or I currently facing an unwanted pregnancy and are therefore equally ill equipped to make a judgement about what is best for the mother. Neither are you or I God and are only equipped to make moral judgements based on our own personal belief system.

I'm happy for you if this ruling eases your trepidation about abortion in some small way. I'm also disappointed in your stunningly frail argument (or judgement if you prefer but I'm trying to be kind).

I think the ruling is wrong because it represents exactly the kind of hidden agenda that you inadvertantly portrayed in your posts.

I apologize if this sounds harsh.
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