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Originally Posted by ThorHammer
I am not trying to justify anything. I am simply pointing out that there were many factors in the death of all those civilians, and that to lay the blame solely at the feet of Germany is historically dishonest.
So, the Germans were responsible for all those deaths? Is that honestly what they teach in Russia?
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"Teaching" about War is in the US. In Russia we simply listen to our relatives. I don't need any f..king Oxford historian, who watched the "Enemy at the gates" and will honestly tell me the truth about barbarism of my grandgarandfather, because the civilized kulturtregers from Europe came to our village, and have torn the nails on the hands of my grandgrandfather, broken him all ribs and saved a bullet him to die slowly - he was about sixty then. O, yeah, I remember one good trait of the European cultural traditions - as the house was silently torched on the special command one winter morning while everybody slept in, one young soldier shouted (he took provisions there few days before) and they jumped out the flame in the last moment. Children died in the frost.
You may tell us that it was Stalin, who devastated our lands and killed the people, fancy thrillers about bloody commissars shooting millions, anything that is suitable for you to believe in. But I don't recommend you to do so even occasionally during the visit here, cause I couldn't guarantee the safety of your spectacles in that case.
As for solely German role - you can relax, because 13 European countries participated in the Crusade, which was blessed by Vatican and personally the Pope, while others cheerfully cleansed the jews and produced the weapons and supply for the brave legions crashing barbarians in the East.
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EDIT: I mean, if we are going to cite nations acting cruel and wild barbarians, should we also get into the war crimes committed by Soviet forces at the end of WW2?
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Sure. But that will be very harmful for the image of supreme European identity, without too great damage to image of Russians whom you consider untermenschen in either case. Besides that the Dresden massacre easily overlap the worst politically motivated slander of the Cold War era and exaggerrated facts regarding Red Army - this can only worsen the Atlantic unity.