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Old 09-25-2006
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Purchasing Plan-B

This has been making the rounds on the internet, so I figured it'd be worth a discussion here. Perhaps one of the most convincing arguements for Plan B to be sold OTC, and as soon as possible.

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Morality clauses, EC, and broken condoms
I'm stunned. I'm utterly, completely stunned. I'm shaky and anxious and shocked beyond belief. I live in rural Ohio and I have been denied EC.

Two months ago I stopped taking birth control. My body finally decided that it was fed up and the cycle of side-effects began again as they have every time I've taken hormonal contraception since I was a teenager. The Depo shot culminated in a trip to the ER due to heavy bleeding and fainting. So my doctor switched me to the yet another low-dose birth control pill which began fucking me up several months ago. So, approximately 2 months ago I stopped taking it.

I am also unable to be fitted for birth control methods that block your cervix seeing as how I have almost no cervix left after my operation last year. So for the last few months I have relied exclusively on condoms.

Friday night the condom broke. But I didn't panic, I thought to myself, with a huge sigh of relief, "Wow, thank goodness it's over the counter now!" and I fell asleep (since there are absolutely NO 24 hour pharmacies within 100 miles of me). Saturday morning I awoke and phoned the pharmacy. I asked them about EC and was told that they won't be stocking it until January 1st, until then it was still by prescription only.

Soooo, I phoned my doctors office which informed me that the office was closed and that I had to call the local hospital and have her paged in order to reach her on the weekend. So I called her and had them page her. A little while later she called back and I answered the phone immediately. She sounded tired and really grumpy; I apologized for having to page her for a thing like this and then asked her if I could get a prescription for EC. She explained that I needed to go to the Emergency Room to get it.

My heart fell, the ER has a 100$ co-pay attached to it. "Well," I thought to myself, "that's still better than the price of a kid" so I called the Emergency Room to verify the information and to ask what their procedures were. When I called the hospital they transferred me to the ER. I asked the nurse what the procedure was for EC and what would be the best time to come down there (I didn't want to wind up behind 3 critical people and end up waiting for 12 hours). The nurse responded in a small, questioning voice, "EC?" and so I explained. "Yes, Emergency Contraception. Plan B. You know, right?"

"Oh" she replies. "Hold on just a sec" and she puts me on hold.

A few moments later another nurse answers the phone. "Can I help you" he says.

"Yes," I reply "My name is BB and I was told that I need to come here to get a scrip for Plan B."

"Oh," he says, "Can you hang on a second?"

"Sure" I reply, becoming decidedly nervous.

He puts me on hold and I sit on the edge of the bed frowning and fiddling with a pen. I wait on hold for 15 minutes before he finally comes back on.

"Have you talked to your doctor?" he asks.

"Yes, I talked to her this morning and she told me to go to the ER" I reply.

"Oh, so she won't prescribe it for you?" he asks.

This possibility hadn't occurred to me. I just assumed that the ER was standard procedure, "Hmmm" I say, "Well, I guess not. It's not just standard procedure to go to the ER?"

"No, not really. We don't really have this happen much." He replies and then he says, "Well I called the pharmacy to ask them because I had heard that it was going over the counter. They told me that they won't sell it til the first of the year" I finished the sentence with him and explained that I had called the pharmacy first thing this morning and was told the very same thing.

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"No." I state plainly. "I am not married. I've been in a relationship for several years and I have three children, I don't want a fourth." I respond tersely.

"Oh, I see." He says and then he hurries on, "Well, see. *I* understand. I want you to know that I understand what you're saying. But see, the problem is that we have 4 doctors here right now but only one of them ever writes EC prescriptions. But see, the thing is that he'll interview you and see if you meet his criteria. Now, I called the pharmacy but I also talked to him and well....*clears throat*....you can come down and try to get it. You know, if you meet his criteria he'll give you a prescription, I mean, there's really no harm in trying." the nurse trails off, his voice falters as I realize what I'm being told.

He continues, almost over eager at this point to distance himself from the hospital, "See, I understand what you're saying and all. I think it's a good thing that it's going over the counter. I just thought I should tell you what he told me. You know, you'll just have to have an interview with him and he'll see if you meet his criteria. He'll only be on duty until 2pm today though and you should ask for him if you decide to come down because he's really your only chance."

I sigh and thank him before hanging up. I know exactly what he was telling me. If I wasn't raped and wasn't married then too damn bad for me.

I opened the phone book again and called the Urgent Care in my county. Who knows, maybe they'll do it for me. "No," the nurse said, "We don't prescribe the abortion pill here".

"No, wait I'm not asking for the abortion pill. I'm asking for EC!" I say, "It's not the same thing."

"Well, we use the words interchangeably here. Sorry, we don't prescribe it". She all but races to get off the phone with me.

I start looking through the telephone book, dialing hospitals from counties all around me. It seems that nobody will prescribe it to me. None of the hospitals are willing to touch me, of the ones that will prescribe it I am asked a series of questions to 'screen' me before I come to the hospital. The results aren't good. I'm not married and wasn't raped, so there's very little they can do for me. But I can try the nurses tell me uncomfortably.

"But if I go through all this and I can't get it will I still be charged the co-pay?"

"Well....ummmm...yeah. I'm afraid so Ma'am." comes the reply.

(cont.)
mildly NSFW link http://bitingbeaver.blogspot.com/200...n-condoms.html


Quite frankly, perhaps the pharmacists and doctors should find a new line of work if they disagree with their job so much. I don't expect a vegetarian to work in a meat packing plant, nor do i think that if they chose to that they should then refuse to do any work.
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Old 09-25-2006
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Re: Purchasing Plan-B

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This has been making the rounds on the internet, so I figured it'd be worth a discussion here. Perhaps one of the most convincing arguements for Plan B to be sold OTC, and as soon as possible.



mildly NSFW link http://bitingbeaver.blogspot.com/200...n-condoms.html


Quite frankly, perhaps the pharmacists and doctors should find a new line of work if they disagree with their job so much. I don't expect a vegetarian to work in a meat packing plant, nor do i think that if they chose to that they should then refuse to do any work.
I don't see how this is consider their job? Really, how is it their job? Are all Dr's now mandated to view Plan B as you or her, is there something I'm missing?
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Old 09-25-2006
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Re: Purchasing Plan-B

I am not sure why there haven't been better inroads to this type of preventive medication. Isn't an ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure? I would have thought that religious right would have been in favor of something that will reduce or eliminate the need for partial birth abortions.
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Old 09-25-2006
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I don't see how this is consider their job? Really, how is it their job? Are all Dr's now mandated to view Plan B as you or her, is there something I'm missing?
It is their job to prescribe medication to those in need of it. As doctors they should know full well that this is no different then the birth control pill. For them to withhold treatment out of their personal opinions on the patient is no different for them to withhold prescribing birth control pills because they don't like their patient.
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Old 09-26-2006
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Re: Purchasing Plan-B

Issues like this are why the secular world hates us Christians.
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Old 09-26-2006
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It is their job to prescribe medication to those in need of it. As doctors they should know full well that this is no different then the birth control pill. For them to withhold treatment out of their personal opinions on the patient is no different for them to withhold prescribing birth control pills because they don't like their patient.
This pill is an elective medication so therefore doctors are perfectly within their rights to not dispense the Rx. Same with birth control pills.
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Re: Purchasing Plan-B

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It is their job to prescribe medication to those in need of it. As doctors they should know full well that this is no different then the birth control pill. For them to withhold treatment out of their personal opinions on the patient is no different for them to withhold prescribing birth control pills because they don't like their patient.
So you quickly decide what the motive of the Doc was? Wow, you are good, do you so quickly pass judgements on everyone? You must be God!
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Old 09-26-2006
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So you quickly decide what the motive of the Doc was? Wow, you are good, do you so quickly pass judgements on everyone? You must be God!
Oh gee, we only have their questionairre to base it off of. You might have a point if the questions actually had a medical premise behind it all, but no, instead the doctor was attempting to see if he approved of his patients life choices.

The doctor had no objection to the medication itself, didn't have any medical concerns, but instead changed his treatment based upon a personal opinion of the patient. A doctor who allows that to happen to him, has no business in medicine.

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This pill is an elective medication so therefore doctors are perfectly within their rights to not dispense the Rx. Same with birth control pills.
Would you be fine if a doctor decided a patient didn't require any pain killers after an operation because the doctor didn't like the patient? They are also an elective medication, and the judgement would have been exactly the same.

Whats next is the clerk at CVS to decide who to and who not to sell condoms to? Are the customers going to have to deal with the 'moral' concerns of the person at the counter? Perhaps an indepth questionairre so you can be sure to meet the moral sensibilities of whichever person decides to judge you that day.
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Old 09-26-2006
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Re: Purchasing Plan-B

The product is generally available "over-the-counter" at all pharmacies in Canada and has been for a couple of years now. I haven't heard a word of controversy upon the topic.
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Would you be fine if a doctor decided a patient didn't require any pain killers after an operation because the doctor didn't like the patient? They are also an elective medication, and the judgement would have been exactly the same.
Analgesics have long been proven to speed the healing process in patients so therefore aren't considered by doctors to be in the elective category.
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Analgesics have long been proven to speed the healing process in patients so therefore aren't considered by doctors to be in the elective category.
Speeding the healing process is not essential to the survival of the patient, so based upon the definitions I have seen, pain killers are in many cases, elective. Further in many professions if you let personal opinions to influence your professional decision, you risk to lose your license.

A lawyer who intentionally offers bad advice because he doesn't like his client will have his ass disbarred. I see no reason why doctors shouldn't likewise be expected to seperate their personal beliefs from their career.

A doctor who brings someone in, to look at their arthritis, then bases their decisions on the persons political views, and refuses to prescribe a treatment to a republican should lose their license all the same, since their diagnosis has nothing to do with the case at hand, and are irresponsibly allowing their personal opinion to change their diagnosis.

What if a doctor refused to give a vaccine, after all, its only preventative medicine.

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I see, now you say abortion (Plan B) is a political issue, I think that is your view not everyone elses. Fact is Plan B, is nothing more then a mega dose of the normal birth control medicine which has it down side, such as warnings that you can view yourself upon any literture that comes with the medicine. It is up to the Dr on how he wants to practice and how he wants to deal with medication. Its not up to you nor anyone else except him and his patients, its best to seek out a Dr. that you agree with. Waiting to the last moment is only the fault of the patient not the Dr..
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Old 10-14-2006
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I see, now you say abortion (Plan B) is a political issue, I think that is your view not everyone elses. Fact is Plan B, is nothing more then a mega dose of the normal birth control medicine which has it down side, such as warnings that you can view yourself upon any literture that comes with the medicine.
Yes it does have side-effects, thats why for normal birth control people try the different types until they and they're doctor find the one with the least side effects. Every medication has its side effects. Slap the warning on the label to see a doctor if X happens, and everything else

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It is up to the Dr on how he wants to practice and how he wants to deal with medication. Its not up to you nor anyone else except him and his patients, its best to seek out a Dr. that you agree with.
It's up to the doctor to give his patient the best medical advice based on his professional knowledge. The questions doctor would have asked had he actually been doing that are

- Do you have Liver, Genital, or Breast Cancer
- Do you have any of the following: epilepsy, cardiovascular or kidney disease, migraine headaches, diabetes, or hypertension
- Do you have an established pregnancy
- Have you had a Heart Attack of Stroke
- And to ask to see if the women was likely to have blood clots in the legs or lungs

But those weren't the doctors questions. The Doctor was seeing if he liked the patient, and asked questions which weren't any of his business and which weren't relevent to his diagnosis yet was basing his diagnosis on those irrelevent factors. And seeing as the women had already been on birth control pills he can ask what the side effects were, and as she described them while unpleasent would have only been at question for one or two days.

What if a doctor refused to prescribe asthma medication to republicans, or no vaccines for democrats? It would be just as valid.

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Waiting to the last moment is only the fault of the patient not the Dr..
No its the fault of a doctor to not realize that certain treatments have a damned time frame to be used. If I get shot, and the doctor wants to take a break, should I be punished because I didn't get to the hospital right away? Or perhaps i should have been shot at a more convenient time for the doctor. Perhaps make an appointment beforehand?

How about if public defenders began to ask clients what their political affiliation is, and then base their legal advice on it. You know thats ussually grounds for being disbarred.

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