Trans Fats - Page 5 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Andrewl · #61 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

And what is "secret" about it? Any idiot knows the foods in question are not inherently good for you.

The danger of trans-fats were not publicly known until recently. Im not talking about just eating fatty foods, im talking about needless and dangerous ingredients whose only purpose is to increase profit, regardless of the health effects. Corporations should not have the freedom to use the planet as a big guinea pig. Even if the corps in question were ignorant of the effects, i resent being used in their experiments. It should be criminal.

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"Secret", what an absolutely thoughtless and silly statement. It's like saying manufacturers cars are "secretly" killing people because their cars can get into accidents.

Based on that level of thoughtfulness, I would caution that you should be more concerned about parents "secretly" dropping their babies on their heads.

Nonsense. You misunderstood my point.

Andrew

Andrewl · #62 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Marcus

EXACTLY, some people just lack basic reasoning and perspective. Transfats are no more inherently "deadly" than oxygen (which taken in excess can also be deadly).

Oxygen was not created artificially by corporations whose only purpose is profit.

Andrew

Marcus1124 · #63 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Andrewl
The danger of trans-fats were not publicly known until recently. Im not talking about just eating fatty foods, im talking about needless and dangerous ingredients whose only purpose is to increase profit, regardless of the health effects. Corporations should not have the freedom to use the planet as a big guinea pig. Even if the corps in question were ignorant of the effects, i resent being used in their experiments. It should be criminal.

How do the increase profit? BY MAKING IT TASTE BETTER. And again there is NOTHING inherently UNhealthy about transfats that eating them in moderation (like anything else) doesn't avoid.

hairballxavier · #64 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Thane

Isn't it a little late to ban something we've been using for ... I don't know 50 or 60 years ?

It's certainly not breaking news that it's dangerous garbage to put in your body but ?

I think they should at least have to be truthful about what they are feeding you.

If someone says they are feeding you kool-aid, but it's really cyanide, I think you have a right to know.
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If someone says they are putting "buttery spread" on your toast or pancakes, and it is really not butter, but insted, toxic hydrogenated soybean oil with "artificial flavorings" and colors added in to make it look and taste sorta like butter. I think you have a right to know.
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If a lable on a bag of corn tortilla chips say it contains

"stone ground corn, corn oil and/or cottonseed oil', well I think you should have a right to know which it is.

Is it toxic non-food cottonseed oil, is it corn oil from a food source, or a combination? I mean let's get real here, I have nothing against eating corn, but I hardly consider cottonseeds to be food. Granted, you can fry stuff in it and it is cheap, but it still has 0 nutritional value, just like motor oil.
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If you go somewhere for a burger and fries, I think you haver a right to know is your food has been fried in an industrial penetrating lubricant such a Canola oil (which is actually toxic oil squezzed from leftist Canadians. Canola=Canadian+oil) or a real food oil such as lard.

What I am saying is that if people want to eat crap, fine. But the peopole feeding it to them should have to reveal that it is actually crap and be held responsible is they tell you poison is actually food.

hairballxavier · #65 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

How do the increase profit? BY MAKING IT TASTE BETTER. And again there is NOTHING inherently UNhealthy about transfats that eating them in moderation (like anything else) doesn't avoid.

I see, so you hypothesize that humans have suddenly evolved dramitically since the invention of Oleo in the 20's and now we can all digest and metabolize it safely.

Is that what you are saying?

Andrewl · #66 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

How do the increase profit? BY MAKING IT TASTE BETTER. And again there is NOTHING inherently UNhealthy about transfats that eating them in moderation (like anything else) doesn't avoid.

From wiki:

Unlike other fats, trans fats are neither required nor beneficial for health.[1] Eating trans fat increases the risk of coronary heart disease.[2] For these reasons, health authorities worldwide recommend that consumption of trans fat be reduced to trace amounts. Trans fats from partially hydrogenated oils are generally considered to be worse than those occurring naturally.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfats

They do not make food taste better. There is no evidence for that at all. Like i mentioned earlier, potato chips made from normal animal and vegetable fats, which do have nutritional value, are the exact same tasting. There is no quantifiable or qualitative difference WRT taste.

Transfats were created specifically to increase profits. It has been known for at least a few decades that they offer no nutritional value and are a contributor to corinary disease.

What kind of moron would defend their use? For what purpose? Are you that in love with corporations you will promote heart attacks in the name of corporate irresponsibility?

Andrew

Alex · #67 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

nope, totally 100% opposed. Government needs to stop trying to run peoples lives.

Andrewl · #68 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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nope, totally 100% opposed. Government needs to stop trying to run peoples lives.

So you dont support the government laws regulating or banning other harmful chemicals that have only harmful effects and no beneficial effects.

You would support the legalization of meth, to be sold by corporations to kids, because you don't want the government running peoples lives?

Andrew

Alex · #69 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

So you dont support the government laws regulating or banning other harmful chemicals that have only harmful effects and no beneficial effects.

You would support the legalization of meth, to be sold by corporations to kids, because you don't want the government running peoples lives?

Andrew

yep. Fuck the government. Let the buyer beware.

Andrewl · #70 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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yep. Fuck the government. Let the buyer beware.

Do you think corporations running the planet are better than responsible goverments?

Whats the difference if i say 'fuck the corporations'?

Andrew

Alex · #71 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Do you think corporations running the planet are better than responsible goverments?

Whats the difference if i say 'fuck the corporations'?

Andrew

at least you have a choice with corporations. you can choose not to buy their goods or services. Governments do not allow you choice. They make a retarded law and you are forced to live with or pay the consequences if you are caught disobeying. I don't need some fucking nanny state telling me that 'trans fat' is bad for me and therefore I can't have it. Fuck that shit. I am going to eat a twinkie right now, in protest.

Andrewl · #72 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Alex

at least you have a choice with corporations. you can choose not to buy their goods or services.

But i cant choose not to have corporations at all, even though i would like to.

But that is not the point, anyway. Corporations, like individuals, should be held responsible for their actions.

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Governments do not allow you choice. They make a retarded law and you are forced to live with or pay the consequences if you are caught disobeying. I don't need some fucking nanny state telling me that 'trans fat' is bad for me and therefore I can't have it. Fuck that shit. I am going to eat a twinkie right now, in protest.

Not all government laws are bad.

All you are doing is trading one master for another. You are still a slave, only now you are slave to billion dollar corporations and teams of behavioral psychologists manipulating your desires. And they do not answer to anybody in your world.

Go have that twinkie, if you enjoy it, can you honestly sit there and say you wouldn't rather have a twinkie that does not contain an ingredient whose only quality is an increased chance of a coronary?

Andrew

Marcus1124 · #73 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Andrewl

They do not make food taste better. There is no evidence for that at all. Like i mentioned earlier, potato chips made from normal animal and vegetable fats, which do have nutritional value, are the exact same tasting. There is no quantifiable or qualitative difference WRT taste.

Transfats were created specifically to increase profits. It has been known for at least a few decades that they offer no nutritional value and are a contributor to corinary disease.

How exactly do they increase profits?

Andrewl · #74 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

How exactly do they increase profits?

Its laboratory made, and factory produced. No animals are needed. Just plant oils, and other chemicals and equipment. This is much cheeper than relying on animal fats, and therefore increases production, increases sales, and increases profit all at the same time. The only difference is that animal fat is safe in moderation and provides actual nourishment, and is not as profitable.

An interesting twist is that vegans can consume transfats, because of their absolute and irrational forbiddence of eating other animals. If you are truly as right wing as you seem (on this point at least) you should want to ban transfats just to piss off vegans....

Andrew

biggyg2 · #75 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

EXACTLY, some people just lack basic reasoning and perspective. Transfats are no more inherently "deadly" than oxygen (which taken in excess can also be deadly).

Some people cannot make the simple distinction between something not being inherently GOOD for you does NOT neccesarily make it inherently BAD for you in any particular quantity.

Guess what people, ANY FRIGGIN' FOOD YOU EAT TOO MUCH OF will harm you. If you consumer 15,000 calories a day of fruits and vegetables, you will get fat and die.

Hell, it is even more stunning than that, some things which are BAD for you in excess are actually GOOD for you in moderation (wine for example in moderation is good for the heart, with no cumulative negative effects.)

There is no health benefits from trans fats. It's not a matter of too much.
It's no where near the same as moderation.

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