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kramer · #76 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by partofme

Yesterday the town I grew up in banned smoking in public places. I was very surprised since this is in Kentucky which depends on tobacco crops. What found more shocking is that NYC may ban trans fats from restaurants. This seems like a very radical idea and I was wondering how many people on this site would support such a thing. I will wait to share my opinion later.

You do know that the bans on cigerattes, specifically the bans on 2nd hand smoke are what led the CA attorny general to sue automakers. I saw this coming years ago and predicted it correctly.

If we let these nazi nannies determine what our diets should be, they'll be no end to our freedoms and liberties being slowly eroded. And it'll lead to more health nazis calling for mandatory excersice and who know's what else.

Kramer

Alex · #77 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

But i cant choose not to have corporations at all, even though i would like to.

But that is not the point, anyway. Corporations, like individuals, should be held responsible for their actions.

Not all government laws are bad.

All you are doing is trading one master for another. You are still a slave, only now you are slave to billion dollar corporations and teams of behavioral psychologists manipulating your desires. And they do not answer to anybody in your world.

Go have that twinkie, if you enjoy it, can you honestly sit there and say you wouldn't rather have a twinkie that does not contain an ingredient whose only quality is an increased chance of a coronary?

Andrew

You may be a slave, that is your choice. I choose otherwise. Right now, I am going to have a shot of Absinthe (illegal), smoke some weed (also illegal) and follow it up with a cigarette (practically illegal) and then eat a few more twinkies (the fuckwad cunts want to make it illegal!) when I get the munchies.

Slave my ass.

Andrewl · #78 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006

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Originally Posted by Alex

You may be a slave, that is your choice. I choose otherwise. Right now, I am going to have a shot of Absinthe (illegal), smoke some weed (also illegal) and follow it up with a cigarette (practically illegal) and then eat a few more twinkies (the fuckwad cunts want to make it illegal!) when I get the munchies.

Slave my ass.

Well, i guess the silver lining in your death march is that dead people dont vote, at least not yet. Sometimes natural selection really does work out for the best.

Andrew

iamwhatiseem · #79 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

I'll say again - I believe everyone is looking at this wrong.

Nobody is saying to an INDIVIDUAL - what you can or cannot eat.
IMO - NY is trying to create legislation that the FDA should be doing.
That, like California, when the feds are either lacking or percieved to be lacking - a state shrugs it's shoulders and passes it's own laws.

If we do not want the FDA to stop manufacturers from putting bad shit in our food - then there is no reason for the FDA to exist.

Surely no one wants to go back to the days when food was not regulated.

emptypepsi · #80 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

Goodtrips is right. If something you eat has "Partially Hydrogenated" or "Hydrogenated" ANYTHING, it has Trans Fats. A ban is just another way to take responsibility off of people and add to our problem as a society. It would be much easier for people to just educate themselves on Trans Fats and avoid them. Then, there would no market for them. Giving the govt. the power to dictate the market in this regard is ridiculous.

emptypepsi · #81 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Thane

So we need a govt. that treats us like stupid children ?

Hey, I've known about and avoided trans fats for about 7 or 8 years. if people choose ignorance isn't that their business ? I wouldn't compare this to the smoking ban either because some fat moron sitting at a table by me eating the worst fried garbage doesn't make ME intake any of that shit.

If people want to be idiots and eat, smoke or sodomize themselves to death let 'em. Of course lets provide clear information about it to everyone is all.

emptypepsi · #82 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

As a healthcare worker, I run into people ALL of the time who I warn about their high-trans and saturated fat diets and their effect on the arteries, their lack of exercise and their lackof nutritional density. And everytime, whether I see them again or not, many voice or make it clear that convenience is going to outweight compliance with health issues. It's a stubborness issue as well, I think. We want our cheeseburgers and sodas, trans fat and HFCS be damned.

hairballxavier · #83 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

But i cant choose not to have corporations at all, even though i would like to.

But that is not the point, anyway. Corporations, like individuals, should be held responsible for their actions.

I don't know about your country, but here in the USA corporations are legally persons. They have the same rights and obligations as anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Not all government laws are bad.

All you are doing is trading one master for another. You are still a slave, only now you are slave to billion dollar corporations and teams of behavioral psychologists manipulating your desires. And they do not answer to anybody in your world.

Typical leftist drivel. Tell us which "billion dollar corporation" has slaves?

Slavery is illegal in the USA.

Gee, I hope none of the billion dollar corporations I own have slaves. Could you give us a list of the corporations that you think own slaves, and show us some evidence that they are in fact holding slaves?

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Go have that twinkie, if you enjoy it, can you honestly sit there and say you wouldn't rather have a twinkie that does not contain an ingredient whose only quality is an increased chance of a coronary?

Andrew

The evidence that trans-fats are toxic to many people is overwhelming and personally I tend to avoid it. But if someone wants to outlaw twinkies, well, I think that person has a big problem with minding their own fucking business.

hairballxavier · #84 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

The city of my residence banned smoking in public places two years ago. It really went by smoothly, with minor complaints.

The mayor and city council in my hometown decided to ban smoking in bars.

There was many complaints, some places even went out of business as the customers fled to suburban drinking joints. It pretty much killed the nightlife around here.

But the people revolted and got the issue put on the ballot and the ban was shot down by a vote of the people..

I wrote a song about it that I would play in the clubs.

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Originally Posted by Hairball

AIR IS ALIVE

QUIT stealing my air you staid ones, I've already charmed that breath.

(inhaled some sap you showed no gratitude,) THEN YOU

SPIT falsified accusations, swear I'm spreading harm and death.

(It's a bum rap so shove your platitude.) THEN EAT

SHIT, legislate regulations, small corner taverns went broke.

(Please squeeze them out cause they're so seedy) THEN THEY

SPLIT, The irate bar room patrons left the town so they could smoke.

(Goodbye to nightlife in the city) TELL ME

Who owns the live air in the beer joints on blues night?
Who owns the floor who owns the door who pays the light?

Who pays the band that brings the atmosphere alive?

Is it Mayor Jack Ford? All he brought was dead air.

The city council? some more dead air

Doctor doogooder? DEAD AIR

But guess what. Toledo don't like dead air.

The old wise men of the city gather at the corner bars.
usually at the corner of the bar in the corner bars.
The plotted where they've learned and earned their scars
The people shot down the facist smoking czars.

The atmosphere wasn't dead, it was a sleeping hungry bear
Music stormed back to the city, woke up the starving air.
Tornadoes hit the stages, tempests beat the floor.
The pulse is pumping every body, mind, heart and soul
This creature is revived, The air is alive, It's electric.

Who owns the live air in the beer joints on blues night?
Who owns the floor who owns the door who pays the light?
Who pays the band to keep the atmosphere alive.

The air is alive, the air is allright.

This City feels like home again.

Andrewl · #85 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by hairballxavier

The mayor and city council in my hometown decided to ban smoking in bars.

There was many complaints, some places even went out of business as the customers fled to suburban drinking joints. It pretty much killed the nightlife around here.

But the people revolted and got the issue put on the ballot and the ban was shot down by a vote of the people..

I wrote a song about it that I would play in the clubs.

Rock on Hairball!

Where i live the geography is not very conducive to people going to other jurisdictions. I live in an enormous city (land area is enormous, pop is only about 1 million) and it is a long haul to another town or city that might not have had the same ban. So nobody here closed down or lost business, there was just no other place for people to go.

Andrew

Andrewl · #86 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by hairballxavier

I don't know about your country, but here in the USA corporations are legally persons. They have the same rights and obligations as anyone else.

Legally corporations are individuals in Canda as well. But in neither nation are corporations held to the same responsibilities as individuals. That needs to change.

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Typical leftist drivel. Tell us which "billion dollar corporation" has slaves?

Slavery is illegal in the USA.

Gee, I hope none of the billion dollar corporations I own have slaves. Could you give us a list of the corporations that you think own slaves, and show us some evidence that they are in fact holding slaves?

Oh Hairball, you just exposed yourself above as a song writer, and now you want me to believe you do not understand symbolism or have trouble grasping figures of speech. Troll.

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The evidence that trans-fats are toxic to many people is overwhelming and personally I tend to avoid it. But if someone wants to outlaw twinkies, well, I think that person has a big problem with minding their own fucking business.

Who said anything about banning twinkies. Twinkies can be made from normal animal fats. The owner of twinkie land might have to drive one less ferrari, but he can go fuck himself as well.

Andrew

Alex · #87 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Well, i guess the silver lining in your death march is that dead people dont vote, at least not yet. Sometimes natural selection really does work out for the best.

Andrew

Dead people do vote, as long as they are democrats.

Anway, you can live your life as you choose, if that means being a do-gooder eating vegetables and fruit all day, then so be it. Have fun. You'll probably drop dead long before I do. At any rate, I'll live my life as I choose, and not like some cunt. Remember, it's not the number of the years of life you live, it's the life in the years.

Andrewl · #88 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Alex

Dead people do vote, as long as they are democrats.

Anway, you can live your life as you choose, if that means being a do-gooder eating vegetables and fruit all day, then so be it. Have fun. You'll probably drop dead long before I do. At any rate, I'll live my life as I choose, and not like some cunt. Remember, it's not the number of the years of life you live, it's the life in the years.

I eat a well balanced diet. My other vices might kill me though. Your adage does not quiet cut it though. Id rather live a long and happy life, not choose between a long life and a bland life.

So its true.... you would rather eat a transfat muffin than an aimal fat muffin. You must love the freedom of corporations so much that you are willing to kill yourself in pursuit of their profits. You are kinda like a suicide bomber, except you pray at the church of corporate freedom, rather than the madrassas.

Andrew

Otter · #89 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by hairballxavier

I think they should at least have to be truthful about what they are feeding you.

Withthis I agree- I am in favor of accuate labeling.

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Is it toxic non-food cottonseed oil, is it corn oil from a food source, or a combination? I mean let's get real here, I have nothing against eating corn, but I hardly consider cottonseeds to be food. Granted, you can fry stuff in it and it is cheap, but it still has 0 nutritional value, just like motor oil.
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Cottonseed oil, as long as it isn't hydrogenated and has had most of the gossypol removed, is just another seed oil, and high in antioxidants and polyunsaturated fatty acids (unfortunately mostly omega-6, but so is corn oil). You can digest it just fine. Unprocessed cottonseeds aren't generally considered food because of the gossypol, which is toxic, and has to be removed first in the refining process. It appears that small amounts of gossypol may have anti-cancer properties, though: http://www.scienceblog.com/community...200113840.html

Alex · #90 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

So its true.... you would rather eat a transfat muffin than an aimal fat muffin. You must love the freedom of corporations so much that you are willing to kill yourself in pursuit of their profits. You are kinda like a suicide bomber, except you pray at the church of corporate freedom, rather than the madrassas.

Andrew

Andrewl, your conclusions make no sense. I simply do not want some asshole fuckwad bureaucrat sitting at a desk with boils on his ass and blackheads all over his face and nose deciding what I can and can't eat, drink or, otherwise ingest into MY fucking body. It has nothing to do with corporations. Are you a bureaucrat Andrewl? DO you work in a cubicle all day? I don't want people who work in cubicles deciding anything for me.

BTW, I buy fresh fruit and veggies at the local farmers market, certified organic mostly and I eat a very healthy diet. I exercise 3-4x per week because it makes me feel good. Not because some government agency says I should. So, If and when I decide I want a fucking twinkie or a HOHO or a piece of cake with "deadly trans fat" - I want the freedom to do so. People like you would make that illegal. I cant stand people that try and rule over others lives, ostensibly, "for their own good". I don't need any more government intrusion in my life, maybe you do, ya know, for your own good. Just go ahead and leave me out of it.

A great example of the stupidity of government bureaucrats getting involved with our diets is the USDA "Food Pyramid". The USDA (the government) has singlehandedly made our generation the fattest in the world by endorsing an assinine low fat diet.

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