Trans Fats - Page 7 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Andrewl · #91 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Alex

Andrewl, your conclusions make no sense. I simply do not want some asshole fuckwad bureaucrat sitting at a desk with boils on his ass and blackheads all over his face and nose deciding what I can and can't eat, drink or, otherwise ingest into MY fucking body. It has nothing to do with corporations. Are you a bureaucrat Andrewl? DO you work in a cubicle all day? I don't want people who work in cubicles deciding anything for me.

BTW, I buy fresh fruit and veggies at the local farmers market, certified organic mostly and I eat a very healthy diet. I exercise 3-4x per week because it makes me feel good. Not because some government agency says I should. So, If and when I decide I want a fucking twinkie or a HOHO or a piece of cake with "deadly trans fat" - I want the freedom to do so. People like you would make that illegal. I cant stand people that try and rule over others lives, ostensibly, "for their own good". I don't need any more government intrusion in my life, maybe you do, ya know, for your own good. Just go ahead and leave me out of it.

A great example of the stupidity of government bureaucrats getting involved with our diets is the USDA "Food Pyramid". The USDA (the government) has singlehandedly made our generation the fattest in the world by endorsing an assinine low fat diet.

So you want no government at all? You say i make no sense, but your positon is completely irrational and asinine.

Andrew

Non Sequitur · #92 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

Just as people have the option to eat healthy, shouldn't people have the right to screw up their bodies?

Otter · #93 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Non Sequitur

Just as people have the option to eat healthy, shouldn't people have the right to screw up their bodies?

I should think so. In order to be able to exercise that right the products have to be accurately labled, though. There has been some movement towards requiring quantification of trans fats on the nutritional label. Of course, many products that don't include trans fats are allready advertising that fact.

Alex · #94 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

So you want no government at all? You say i make no sense, but your positon is completely irrational and asinine.

Andrew

Lets be clear. I see the need for limited gov't. I am not an anarchist. I simply don't want asshole bureaucrats telling me what to eat. You do. We are different that way.

Andrewl · #95 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Alex

Lets be clear. I see the need for limited gov't. I am not an anarchist. I simply don't want asshole bureaucrats telling me what to eat. You do. We are different that way.

So why do you not see the need for limited corporate power. You obviously agree that the power (or freedom) of the individual is to be limited in a state, why not for a corporation?

You would agree that a corporation cannot put any amount of rat poison in your twinkie, right? Rat poison is lethal and provides no benefit at all to the human organism, why would you defend the use of another poison that is likewise lethal and provides no benefit to the human organism. What is the difference? They both serve no purpose, and both are lethal....

Andrew

Andrewl · #96 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Non Sequitur

Just as people have the option to eat healthy, shouldn't people have the right to screw up their bodies?

People do have that right. Shoudl corporations have the right to put whatever they want in their consumable products? Gas refineries are not allowed to use lead in their consumables, why should it be any different with food?

Andrew

Slon · #97 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

This is bullshit nanny-state legislation. Enough said.

Slon · #98 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

People do have that right. Shoudl corporations have the right to put whatever they want in their consumable products? Gas refineries are not allowed to use lead in their consumables, why should it be any different with food?

Andrew

If the reason for this is that lead causes more harmful emissions that harm OTHERS, then there is your reason. If not, then I will need to read about the real reason before comparing trans fats in food to lead in gas. I don't see how my decision to eat trans fats should be restricted as long as I don't harm anyone while doing that. Anti-freeze is still legal to buy and I can kill myself with that if I wanted to. Letting people know that trans fats are in the food that they sell is what is more important.

Andrewl · #99 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Slon

If the reason for this is that lead causes more harmful emissions that harm OTHERS, then there is your reason. If not, then I will need to read about the real reason before comparing trans fats in food to lead in gas. I don't see how my decision to eat trans fats should be restricted as long as I don't harm anyone while doing that. Anti-freeze is still legal to buy and I can kill myself with that if I wanted to. Letting people know that trans fats are in the food that they sell is what is more important.

I agree about educating people to the dangers.

Transfat causes coronary heart disease even in moderation. Animal fat does not.

Increased rates of heart disease increase your health premiums. In Canada it fills beds, needlessly, and causes a strain on the health system.

If the government can ban lead in gasoline because of its harmful effects to refinery workers and to the environment, they should be able to ban trans fats under the same principles.

Andrew

Slon · #**100** (**permalink**) 09-29-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

I agree about educating people to the dangers.

Transfat causes coronary heart disease even in moderation. Animal fat does not.

I'm sure drinking motor oil would also cause some problems. Shall we ban that as well?

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Increased rates of heart disease increase your health premiums. In Canada it fills beds, needlessly, and causes a strain on the health system.

This is why I am against free universal healthcare. I say, let people think twice before eat McDonald's.

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If the government can ban lead in gasoline because of its harmful effects to refinery workers and to the environment, they should be able to ban trans fats under the same principles.

Andrew

That's just it: they aren't the same principles. My eating trans fats does not harm restaurant workers and the environment. It only harms me. But you do have a point about free healthcare giving the government say in what citizens do. That is partly why I am against it.

emptypepsi · #**101** (**permalink**) 09-30-2006

Andrew has a point, but I don't believe Trans Fats are near as lethal as say, rat poison. TFats do have undeniable health risks and raise a slew of issues with your arteries and body. However, it is only when consumed in consistent amounts that is becomes a chronic problem, not an acute problem like poison.
I think people should be educated (not by the government but educating themselves) on the problems that come with consuming Trans fat. The government has already begun to prove ineffective in educating people in this regard (childhood obesity is still climbing, despite all of the programs they have funded to impede the growth).
The government should not tell restaurants what to do, nor people what to do. However, if action on the governments side *HAS* to be taken, I suppose iamwhatiseem has the best proposal of all. Just enforce the FDA to do it's damn job in this regard. In the meantime, though, it wouldn't hurt our populace to get a little more informed and start taking care of themselves. It's a shame that this kind of thing is an "epidemic".

emptypepsi · #**102** (**permalink**) 09-30-2006

Right on, Slon. We're going to have universal healthcare yet the most unhealthy populace spiking up societal strains on healthcare facilities? I say no universal healthcare and make people a little more responsible for their own health. Tons of people everyday come into the clinic at my hospital with problems that are the fault of or related to a faulty nutrition and lack of activity. What's wrong with getting a little educated in diet and proper nutrition? It's really not that complicated once you understand the essentials.

Society is the main problem here when you get down to it. Nobody would be selling this trash if they knew people wouldn't eat it for the health risks. When people don't give a damn, they'll buy whatever their taste-buds desire - health risk or not.

Andrewl · #**103** (**permalink**) 09-30-2006

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Originally Posted by Slon

I'm sure drinking motor oil would also cause some problems. Shall we ban that as well?

From being used in food, yes.

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This is why I am against free universal healthcare. I say, let people think twice before eat McDonald's.

You dont need universal healthcare to regulate the food industry, obviously.

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That's just it: they aren't the same principles. My eating trans fats does not harm restaurant workers and the environment. It only harms me. But you do have a point about free healthcare giving the government say in what citizens do. That is partly why I am against it.

It does hurt you, thousands of cases of totally preventable coronary diseases inflate your health premiums. Would you rather have more cash at the end of the month or do you like making health insurance execs stinkin' rich?

Andrew

Slon · #**104** (**permalink**) 09-30-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

From being used in food, yes.

Okay, then can we pretent to sell it like it is a car product? Less FDA bullshit. The point is that I don't like the government being my nanny and forcing me to not eat something that I know is unhealthy. It's my life, but you clearly think the government should have a say in what I do to myself.

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You dont need universal healthcare to regulate the food industry, obviously.

It does hurt you, thousands of cases of totally preventable coronary diseases inflate your health premiums. Would you rather have more cash at the end of the month or do you like making health insurance execs stinkin' rich?

Andrew

Like I said, this is why I am against universal healthcare. I would rather people paid for their health treatments and as a result watched what they eat. And if they are stupid enough to eat it while not having enough money, then that is too bad.

Slon · #**105** (**permalink**) 09-30-2006

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Originally Posted by emptypepsi

Right on, Slon. We're going to have universal healthcare yet the most unhealthy populace spiking up societal strains on healthcare facilities? I say no universal healthcare and make people a little more responsible for their own health. Tons of people everyday come into the clinic at my hospital with problems that are the fault of or related to a faulty nutrition and lack of activity. What's wrong with getting a little educated in diet and proper nutrition? It's really not that complicated once you understand the essentials.

Society is the main problem here when you get down to it. Nobody would be selling this trash if they knew people wouldn't eat it for the health risks. When people don't give a damn, they'll buy whatever their taste-buds desire - health risk or not.

Exactly. The fundamental problem with anything "public" is that people know they are entitled to it so they go "what the fuck, might as well not worry about putting myself in a situation where I need to use it." That is the problem with socialism. If I had to worry about breaking my leg doing something stupid, maybe I would stay away from the activity and/or work to earn money to be able to afford it.

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