Well,they should nto be involved in promoting, limiting, or regulating religion, sex, media, etc....

Who is Pete?

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

Why not? All of those things could harm you, and you've already expressed your opinion that if it could harm you, government should be able to control it.

What you really mean to say is, as long as YOU dont mind having someone tell you what to do in some area, its perfectly OK.
Its a figure of speech my friend.

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40% of the food on the grocery store shelf contains transfats. I dont want to eat like a vegan, i want obviously lethal products banned from the food industry, so that I can enjoy my indulgences every now and again.

Do you support restaurant inspections? Do you support the licensing of restaurants? Or would you prefer ot to be a gamble every time you go out to eat?

You seem to not be understanding that corps can use a safe alternative to trans fats and nothing would change. We could still all eat twinkies, chips, and french fries, except they would contain normal and beneficial animal fat instead of factory produced trans-fats. What exactly is your problem with this? Do you enjoy higher health premiums, do you enjoy obesity?

As long as we have civilization and mass produced food we our stuck with giant food corporations, i see no probelm with regulating them, it is no differnt than regulating any other industry which is done all the time.

What the fuck is up with people in their beloved defense of the mega-corp? Why do you defend them when they knowingly a put lethal and non-beneficial ingredients in their food just to increase profits, especially when there is a viable and healthier alternative? I just cant understand why you are defending the right of corps to have a cart-blance with the poisons they offer us.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

Privately-owned corporations have should not have an obligation to sell certain products. Hey, maybe I want a 515MB flash drive as opposed to the 512MB and 1GB. The compant doesn't have to make and sell one. The only only thing I can do is boycott them. What you want to do is have the government force corpoerations to sell you certain foods because you are too lazy to boycott them and need the government to be your mommy.I don't really care if they force restaurants to be licensed. I would, however, pass laws making it illegal for a restaurant to claim that they are licensed and inspected when they are not. That is false advertising and selling a product different from what you said you would sell. It is in a sense similar to having a customer pay for a Mercedes and then sending them a Jeep. I would simply avoid eating at restaurants that are unlicensed. I don't need the government to play mommy and rid the country of those restaurants altogether.No, I don't enjoy obecity or unhealthy food. That is why I don't eat unhealthy foods and live a relatively active lifestyle. I don't need or want the government to hold my hand and ban the foods from the market. If I don't like the food, I stop buying it.As long as we have liberty, sellers should be allowed to sell whatever food they want as long as they do not lie when advertising or describing it.It's actually my beloved defense of liberty and free enterprice. Oh, and the fact that I am not a socialist who needs the government to hold my hand and help me take a piss and only allow for certain foods to be marketed because incompetent politicians feel I can't be trusted to not buy foods that I know are harmful to me.

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If a neocon whines about big government wealth redistribution, just ask him what he thinks about the portion of that big government that sends aid to Israel.

You are missing the point, i was not specific enough. Those things I mentioned are beneficial to some people and can harm other people. I support the government having laws against child pornography, because it is always harmful. But i dont support the government making laws against gay marriage or gay sex, oral sex or anal sex, amongst consenting adults. (even though it is potentially harmful to the individual) I support laws agianst religious cults who would sacrifice or abuse children and use religion as their cover. But government has no place in religion where membership is voluntary and generally harmless to those who subscribe. (even though it could be abused and is).

I support laws against the use of transfats because they are always harmful and knowingly lethal, and their only use is to increase profits at the expense of widespread obesity and heart problems.

You always have an axe to grind about gun control. I agree with you that poeple should have the right to own guns, because guns can have a beneficial effect on society. But do you not agree that certain types of weapons, whose only purpose is assault, should be limited, if not banned outright. Why would anybody living in a suburb of Los Angeles need a shoulder propelled rocket launcher, for instance.....?

You see, i dont support a ban on things because they may or may not harm me. I support a ban because its only effect is harm.

I know, im just more interested in the etymology of that figure of speech than i am in your hard line radical libertarianism.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

No I'm not.
Yes you were. You're just trying to justify your short-sightedness.
The same could be said of trans-fats. They benefit some by keeping costs lower for companies and the consumer. The may cause harm if overused, but then again, even water can kill you if you drink too much.
Well no kidding.
Why not? Is that perhaps because YOU dont want to see it controlled? What about those who DO? Do their desires take a back seat to yours? They are both based on nothing but opinion and emotion, and as you said, it can be quite harmful to the individual. By your very stated standard, government should regulate it.
Same as trans-fats my friend. In moderation they are harmless. When used too much, they can cause harm. Your own stated logic would indicate religion should be controlled as well.
See the thing is, they are NOT always harmful and NOT lethal. Like many many things in this world, in moderation, they have no harmful effect. It is only when overused that they cause a problem.
As stated repeatedly, who cares what their purpose is? It isnt any of YOUR concern is it? You simply want to control what other people do because their actions make you uncomfortable. How wonderously tolerant and progressive of you.
Yes you do - and you have stated exactly that.
You havent mentioned a thing which has only a harmful effect though.

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Man you are certainly fond of realy bad analogies. The analogy i would counter with is say a company produces a flash drive for market. Their research tells them that if they produce a flash drive in a certain way using a different medium, they can produce twice as many flash drives in the same amount of time for a cheaper cost. But there is a side effect, the new method causes a slow degrading of the performance of the end users computer, and over time the HDD on the computer just gives out and needs to be trashed or replaced. The company could go back to the safer way of making flash drives but they would not profit as much. Better to keep the side effect as quiet as possible. That is the analogy of trans fats. Your analogy sucks, sorry.


But currently restaurants have to be icensed, anybody who sells food in your country has to have a food license? Are you going to lobby against this moomy state you live in? Is it really worth it. Do you wake up every morning feeling as though you are in some sort of fascist prison state because restaurants are regulated, for your safety? You better start writing letters to your gov. representative to get them to repeal this awful law right away....


You will have to explain to me how banning transfats harms in any way free enterperise. Are you claiming that oil companies have been harmed by regulations banning lead or ensuring a lower sulfur content. Yeah, those oil and gas companies ar really suffering.

I have already shown you how a ban on transfats can increasse your liberty by reducing your chance of a hospital visit, lowering your health premiums, and still allowing you to indulge in all your favorite foods.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

Your entire post is a waste because you do not understand what transfats are. Transfats are not harmless in moderation, they are only harmless in trace amounts that occur naturally. The transfats that are chemically produced in a lab and for sale in almost all packaged foods we eat are deadly and cause obesity even in moderation. Do your research and then respond without ignorance.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

Ah yes - just like alar and DDT right?

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

No.

Again, go read about and then i will take your response seriously, Or not. Your method of posting is actually quite annoying.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

You mean that method of throwing the truth in your face with little to no concern for your feelings?

Tough shit - thats life - deal with it.

You are the one making the claim they are ALWAYS harmful. You feel free to prove it. Frankly the fact that they are allowed at all is proof that they are harmless in some quantity.

As you have so plainly proven, you're perfectly happy with any level of government involvement in others lives, as long as it doesnt affect you or make you feel bad.

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Really? Prove it. I dare you.

Psst - im 5'11" and weigh ~185lbs. I also eat foods which contain transfats all the time. If your claim were true i should be dead or at least a hell of a lot heavier. The fact that i'm neither makes your statement false on its face.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfats

At the bottom of the page are dozens of sources to medical studies that detail the effect of transfats.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

Yep - and every single one of them says there is an increased risk or some connection, but NOT that transfats are always harmful in any amount and that they will cause obesity.

You were proven wrong by your own source. Thanks for playing. Buh-bye now.

(oh - btw - according to that article, Canada is the worlds largest consumer of transfats. Dont you think you should get your own house in order before you start commenting on ours?)

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.